Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/GomSelMash


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus with no prejudice against renomination. While a simple hatcount of !votes might indicate a "keep", several editors either did not make policy-based arguments in support of their view or made arguments that the extent of sourcing was unclear with respect to passing WP:NCORP. In the absence of a consensus on the state of sources presented, there is no consensus to keep nor delete. (non-admin closure) — Mhawk10 (talk) 06:12, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

GomSelMash

 * – ( View AfD View log | edits since nomination)

Non-notable company, no RS, all signs of undisclosed paid editing. Mikekohan (talk) 13:19, 1 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Are You seriously? look please to the Russian and Belorussian varian of this page Ilyadante (talk) 13:23, 1 February 2022 (UTC)ilyadante Blocked as a sock Star   Mississippi  21:37, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 14:14, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Belarus-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 14:14, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 14:50, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete: Per nom. Cannot find sources that would attest pass of notability. nearlyevil  665  19:27, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
 * You want sours? look please here https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D0%BE%D0%BC%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BC%D0%B0%D1%88 and here https://be-tarask.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D0%BE%D0%BC%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BC%D0%B0%D1%88 Ilyadante (talk) 09:17, 2 February 2022 (UTC)ilyadante
 * Keep, nominator probably doesn't have access to sources. The company sponsored FC Gomselmash Gomel for a total of 25 years, showing its paramount importance in its region. Wikipedia can't have 0 articles about businesses from Belarus' second largest city of 526,872 people. Geschichte (talk) 09:58, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: the nomination is Mikekohan's first edit ever, with flawless knowledge of the deletion process, including both talk page notices and deletion sorting. Geschichte (talk) 10:02, 2 February 2022 (UTC)


 * The deletion nomination is like a stupid joke. Maybe it's better to remove Mikekohan from Wikipedia?Ilyadante (talk) 16:10, 2 February 2022 (UTC)ilyadan
 * This is the largest plant in the whole region. It's very funny to hear that nearlyevil665 didn't find anything about him, and Mikekohan couldn't think of anything better than to say that he doesn't know such a company and that the article is paid for. It's kind of surreal.Ilyadante (talk) 16:14, 2 February 2022 (UTC)ilydadan

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Coffee  //  have a ☕️ //  beans  // 20:22, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: Ilyadante, the article's creator, has been blocked as a sockpuppet. However, as the article has non-trivial contributions from others (and is already listed here), I removed the G5 tag. This does not mean I don't think it should be deleted. As a technically INVOLVED user I will defer to the judgments of others. Chroma Nebula   (talk)   00:45, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Relisting comment: let's see if we can come to WP:ORG/CORP consensus rather than G5 since it doesn't seem clear cut enough to be deleted via that route Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star   Mississippi  01:51, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: For what it's worth, I don't agree that this article has had significant contributions, so G5 should still qualify as it was created by a blocked user. See diff here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=GomSelMash&type=revision&diff=1069959546&oldid=1068443192 nearlyevil  665  06:39, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 05:13, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: with both the fact that the AFD nom was the user's first edit ever, and the blocking of the first responder, it has the markings of a trainwreck. However I once again ask: Gomel is the second largest city in Belarus, and Gomselmash is the only article about a business currently in Category:Gomel. Should Wikipedia rather have 0 articles about businesses in this city? Geschichte (talk) 20:26, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that heads up, I've tagged the sock. Star   Mississippi  21:37, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't really understand arguing keeping the article just because it happens to be the only business with a functional Wikipedia page in a certain given city. Since when is that a viable substitute for actual notability as per WP:NORG? Perhaps the better alternative is to create an article about a company based in Gomel satisfying WP:NORG, which I'm sure there are plenty of. nearlyevil  665  07:51, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Another article, or 10, or 20, would be ideal! My notion is that Gomselmash is indeed one of the companies in Gomel satisfying NORG, but since I comprehend no Slavic languages, let alone the Cyrillic alphabet, I admit that it's based on more circumstantial "evidence". Namely the fact that Gomselmash sponsored the city's football team for a long time, which in turn caused me to be familiar with it, a person who lives miles and miles away. How many other companies from Belarus, Lithuania, Moldova, Ukraine etc. have foreigners heard about? Not many, if any at all. So again, I personally can't present any actual sources about Gomselmash, but the nominator has not shown any sign of digging for sources either, nor has anyone else conducted a source analysis. The closest we have come is the discredited/blocked user mentioning some existing sources at various Slavic-language Wikipedias, sources not challenged by anyone yet. Claims of "no sources" are no better than WP:THEREMUSTBESOURCES. Geschichte (talk) 12:16, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth, I've conducted a WP:BEFORE to the best of my ability, and found nothing beyond routine business operation reporting. The sources in the Russian version of the article are all primary sources but one, which is a piece "Lukashenko denying the possibility of selling Gomselmash", which has no significant coverage of the subject, instead offering various quotes on why the privatization of state-owned property is a bad idea. The Belarussian article only has one primary source as a reference. I'd love to hear any countering arguments based on WP:NORG qualifying sources and I'd gladly reconsider my vote if presented with such. nearlyevil  665  19:11, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Weak keep per Geschichte's arguments, and from a inclusionist's perspective. This is not a WP:BLP article where sources must verify no matter what. Perhaps the article could be tagged to add English sources and/or to verify existing references — DaxServer (t · c) 12:26, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Weak keep the Russian page cites this article, in which Lukashenko's decision not to sell the company was apparently notable enough to make the news outside of the country. The sources of the Belorussian article are mostly the company's own website, but there is a fair bit of coverage in a couple Belorussian newspapers. Individually it is all routine but there does seem to be a good volume of it, and it indicate that the company is a significant player in its region. I don't have the time right now to look for further sources, but I will try to come back to this later and see if I can find anything else in Russian. Rusalkii  (talk) 20:55, 25 February 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.