Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Goober Pyle


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. I see a consensus among participating editors that this article should be Kept and that sources provide SIGCOV. Additionally, aside from the nominator, I see no support for deletion. Liz Read! Talk! 03:09, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Goober Pyle

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Many sources in the article are primary, a quick Google search does not give any sources that prove individual notability. If the character is not notable, I suggest a redirect and/or merge to List of The Andy Griffith Show characters. Note that the character's name is Goober Pyle, not Gomer Pyle, so please decide your vote on the notability of Goober only. Spinixster  (chat!)  01:13, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements, Science fiction and fantasy,  and Television.  Spinixster   (chat!)  01:13, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
 * keep This character has its own identity aside from the actor and the Andy Griffth show, having featured on at least three major series, Andy Griffith, Mayberry RFD, and Hee Haw. I added a few citations. There's almost no cross-over with Gomer Pyle.  Lindsey co-wrote an autobiography called Goober in a Nutshell (out of print, available on archive.org, and not a vanity publication - Worldcat lists 93 current library holdings), and the character was the main focus of Lindsey's LA Times obituary.
 * Oblivy (talk) 02:40, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
 * That does not prove the character's notability. Even if the character appeared in several other series, that does not mean that they are notable. The autobiography isn't focused on the character but the actor (the description says Lindsey, who spent four years playing the lovable lunkhead mechanic on The Andy Griffith Show, reveals what it was like to be part of one of the most popular shows in TV history.) and the character being heavily mentioned in Lindsey's obituary does not mean that the character is notable (I took a look at the obituary, the character was not the main focus, because it's an obituary, not a character article, the character was only briefly mentioned.) More sources would be needed per WP:N. Spinixster   (chat!)  03:12, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I looked again at the obituary. I counted 14 paragraphs (admittedly some quite short) talking about the Goober character. Perhaps we're not looking at the same article? Oblivy (talk) 03:21, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Still, I find it to be WP:CRUFT because it describe what he does on the show, not really some kind of reception to establish notability. Spinixster   (chat!)  07:39, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep it for sure. AlexBogue89 (talk) 14:24, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
 * This counts as WP:JV, please express why you think the article should be kept. Spinixster   (chat!)  14:27, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. Meets GNG with many sources (eg, quickly ) providing SIGCOV analyzing the character, the character in relation to the real world, the characters impact on multiple shows, the characters impact on television, etc. The sources I linked above don't represent an exhaustive search of any db or search engine, just a few promising clicks in a few. Also, don't forget the several decades of dead tree coverage this character received as well. &mdash;siro&chi;o 03:50, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
 * A breakdown of the sources can be found below.
 * The first source has a chapter focusing on Gomer, Goober, and Howard that can be used. I don't know how useful it really is because it seems to mostly be a summary of the character's plotlines, which usually doesn't prove notability. The rest of the mentions seem to be passing.
 * The second source seems more focused on the Andy Griffith Museum, it briefly talks about the arrival of Goober's suit.
 * The third source only briefly mentions Goober as Gomer's cousin.
 * The fourth source is similar to the first: mostly a summary of the character's plotlines.
 * The fifth source is also similar to the first, although it seems to be more about the actor.
 * Spinixster  (chat!)  06:43, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. George Lindsey's obituaries pretty much all feature his best-known role in the title: "George Lindsey, TV’s Goober Pyle, Dies at 83" (The New York Times no less), "‘Goober Pyle’ actor George Lindsey dies" (CNN), "George Lindsey, Known as Goober Pyle, Dies" (AP, via The Hollywood Reporter). In the obituaries, the character is indeed the main focus (let's face it, Lindsey isn't really known for anything else). Clarityfiend (talk) 06:06, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Just because an actor is primarily known for playing a character does not mean that the character is notable enough for an individual article. I've already said what I said above about the obituaries. Spinixster   (chat!)  06:44, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
 * The fact that major news outlets all highlight this character in their obits is an extremely strong sign of notability. In fact, Lindsey's notability itself depends solely on having played Goober. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:03, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Does that really mean that the character is notable, though? Many actors are best known for playing one single character, but notability isn't inherited. More sources would be needed to prove the character's notability and not some WP:CRUFT. Spinixster   (chat!)  06:46, 26 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep - for the same reason I stated for Gomer Pyle: too recognizable Scratchu90 (talk) 18:19, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
 * And as I said at Gomer Pyle, this is WP:JN, and you will need to explain further why and give proof that he's notable. Spinixster   (chat!)  03:03, 27 September 2023 (UTC)


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