Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gopika Poornima


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Black Kite (talk) 10:53, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

Gopika Poornima

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Sources are all track listings, profile pages, interviews, and fluff pieces. No comprehensive or serious journalistic coverage. Waggie (talk) 16:27, 23 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi Waggie!. Gopika Poornima is a notable singer in Telugu film industry. This link is a serious news website with respectable standards at least in Andhra Pradesh, the state to which the singer belongs to. There are other news articles where her name is referred though they do not cover her biographical details. They are mostly taken from the interviews. this link belongs to one of the top 3 Telugu news paper Andhra Jyothy which proves her notability. Let me know what else can I do to save this article from being deleted.Ravichandra (talk) 16:44, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello (Ravichandra), unfortunately interviews aren't sufficient to establish notability. We need comprehensive coverage that is independent of the subject. Can you provide links to news articles that discuss them that aren't interviews, and are serious journalism? I just don't see any here.  The only thing close is the article regarding the Veturi Memorial award. Non-English sources are acceptable, provided they follow the guidelines set out in WP:RS. Thank you for your time and efforts. Waggie (talk) 16:50, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Waggie Thank you for the suggestions. I got one more reference from another good resource The Hindu where she got best singer award. this link. One more here. I will take some time and I am sure I can gather more resources. Please don't delete this article.Ravichandra (talk) 16:55, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I see the sources you added. Unfortunately, these sources do not offer comprehensive coverage, they only mention Gopika in passing. Content from articles should be summarized from what reliable sources have to say. If the source only lists her name alongside many others and doesn't discuss her at all, then it's not a useful source for establishing notability. Waggie (talk) 17:07, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Waggie, You mean to say there should be at least one full article dedicated to her in a reliable source? how about this? Ravichandra (talk) 17:19, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
 * That's an interview. And we require multiple articles that discuss the subject comprehensively and independently of the subject, otherwise there isn't independent content to summarize for an article. Waggie (talk) 17:52, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Added one more article as a source from Andhra Jyothy. This article is not an interview and independently written by a journalist. Waggie can this be considered for notability? Ravichandra (talk) 12:59, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  MT Train Talk 10:21, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions.  MT Train Talk 10:21, 24 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment Poster above says Interviews aren't sufficient. These seems a strange reasoning. An interview piece shows that the publication had an interest in writing about the singer. The way the publication writes about the subject (interview, bio, review) seems irrelevant to discussions about notability, unless it's merely an advertorial. Also, I believe the submitter is nominating this subject for deletion based on the article, not the subject. Not sure the nominator here has done sufficient WP:BEFORE. Egaoblai (talk) 18:06, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Egaoblai Thank you for your comment. I don't have much experience in identifying/differentiating sources which can prove the notability of the subject. I was thinking that if a reliable news paper (In India) like The Hindu or Andhra Jyothy publishes an article, irrespective of type of the article, it can support the notability. However I have already given one Independent article from Andhra Jyothy as a source and a few interviews from the The Hindu and other references for factual correctness. These are not advertorial in nature. I don't know if these are sufficient for removing the proposed deletion tag. Ravichandra (talk) 05:45, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes this seems like an easy vote to Keep from me. TheHindu.com featured article is a strong indication of notability here, and there are plenty of other source to verify and pass wp:n too.Egaoblai (talk) 07:24, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Interviews are primary sources, they are the subject talking about themselves. We need secondary sources to provide content to summarize, and consequently need secondary sources to establish notability (ie: whether there is content to summarize for there to be content for an article). Waggie (talk) 02:41, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
 * On the subject of notability, if an independent publication chooses to publish an interview with an individual then it can be seen that this publication has found the subject notable, which is of course the basis of notability here. Egaoblai (talk) 13:03, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I understand what you're saying, but we need articles to be summarized from reliable, secondary sources. How can we do that if all the sources are primary (them talking about themselves), or simply track listings? It would require original research, which isn't what Wikipedia is about. Waggie (talk) 16:10, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Waggie, This article is secondary. Though the content is written before I added this source, but all the important facts written in this article have a reference to this article. There is only one source (allmusic.com) which contains track listings. If it is not going to help this article in any way, I can remove it. Remaining all sources are supporting the article in some way. Can you remove the deletion tag now? Ravichandra (talk) 17:26, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi ! That's a good start! Do you have any more such secondary sources? We can't base a Wikipedia article on only one such source, it would not represent a balanced viewpoint. Best wishes, Waggie (talk) 17:59, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Waggie, I will try to find other secondary sources. But my question is, If the article is based on a single source supported by other primary sources, is it deserved to be deleted? As far as I know is a better tag for this article.Ravichandra (talk) 18:04, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 05:51, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - I'm leaning delete on this due to lack of sources and coverage. The article in TheHindu is a good start but it's only one source and as has pointed out, it is primary. Notability isn't really established enough for me to justify keeping this one unless someone can find more sources (I looked - didn't see anything). --  Dane  talk  04:13, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
 * User:Dane, This article is secondary source as the other languages are also acceptable. I already pointed out and is submitted for notability There is one secondary and multiple primary sources. She has received some awards for which there are references from the leading news papers like The Hindu, Times of India, and other language news papers to which the subject belings to. Ravichandra (talk) 14:42, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: It would be good to get some more opinions of established editors, different from the obvious sock/meatpuppetry (or canvassing on other websites).
 * Not to Delete - I believe this article should continue. The references provided are sufficient and they are notable. More references can be provided in due course. Hence not necessary to Delete.-- స్వరలాసిక/Svaralaasika 15:27, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
 * No Need to Delate.she is known singer in telugu film industry. These preferences are enough to keep article. Later can add more references..--B.K.Viswanadh (talk) 15:36, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment: I'm rather suspect of all these accounts with very low edit counts showing up to comment on this discussion. Trying to assume good faith, but it's not easy. Waggie (talk) 16:15, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Is there any problem if users with low edit count participating in the discussion even if they know the context of the subject? Ravichandra (talk) 16:50, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Gopika Poornima is famous singer in South India. So, No need to Delete this article.--Pranayraj1985 (talk) 05:02, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Randykitty (talk) 12:10, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
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 * Keep as has reliable sources coverage including secondary coverage such as the Hindu. Interviews may be considered for notability as per the last section of WP:Interview, thanks Atlantic306 (talk) 17:52, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
 * KeepThese interviews are taken by mainstream newspapers of India and are notable enough to be acknowledged here. Besides, secondary coverage is also available on the subject. Also, she has been awarded for her work in the past. Referencing needs to be improved, but poor referencing doesn't mean the subject is not notable. Dial911 (talk) 18:22, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello and, I would encourage you to read that section more carefully, especially the second-to-last paragraph. Interviews where the subject are basically given carte blanche are mentioned specifically as something that WP:NOTPROMOTION discounts. Also, "An example would be a fan magazine interview with a celebrity about their new movie or new child. They're not likely to question them sharply on whether the movie is any good or whether motherhood is really a joyful experience." Then please take another look at the interviews. I do not believe the interviews constitute solid journalistic coverage to meet the threshold of WP:GNG, WP:NACTOR, or WP:NMUSICBIO. Aside from the interviews, we have AllMusic, simple filmographies, and passing mentions. What secondary coverage are you referring to, Dial911? Can you provide some links? I found nothing of better quality than what's already in the article (most was far worse). What notable awards has she received? If I've missed something, I'm happy to concede. Waggie (talk) 18:25, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
 * National newspapers are not fan magazines, and the Hindu piece is a secondary coverage, thanks Atlantic306 (talk) 18:29, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I wasn't suggesting they were, I was pointing out the principle of basically letting the interviewee promote themselves, which is what that section of WP:INTERVIEW was talking about. Waggie (talk) 18:34, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
 * ABN Andhra Jyothi, a notable Telugu TV news channel also covered her significantly. News TV channels don't generally cover a man on the street. You can find videos of the telecast uploaded by the official verified account of ABN on youtube. These video references meet WP:YOUTUBE and WP:VIDEOREF. Also, just because these regional language news sources are not 'famous' in the world, doesn't mean that they are not notable. Hope you get the point. After finding news TV coverage on the person, it has become Strong Keep for me. Dial911 (talk) 18:48, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
 * The notable award she received is Nandi Awards for Television the reference for which is already mentioned. This is the from The Hindu. This article can be cited for the notability of the awards. She was nominated for Filmfare award for the best singer multiple times. You can check here entries here.Ravichandra (talk) 02:20, 16 June 2018 (UTC)


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