Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gordon Holt


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Kevin Holt per WP:ATD. ✗ plicit  12:39, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Gordon Holt

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Disputed PROD, with the wording "fails GNG, fair enough..." (?) Bring back Daz Sampson (talk) 12:24, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 12:29, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 12:29, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Scotland-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 12:29, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 12:34, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment - the rest of my comment goes on to say that he played 5 games in the 1986–87 Scottish First Division as confirmed by the WP:RS reference Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 12:35, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Why would that matter if he "fails GNG"? Did you mean to endorse the PROD and remove it by mistake? Bring back Daz Sampson (talk) 12:53, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Even if he does fail GNG, he has played multiple games in a fully professional league per WP:FPL so does not qualify for uncontroversial deletion. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 12:58, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * He played five times for Airdrie, who were a part-time club. Gordon McQueen tried to take them full-time just after that but gave up and resigned because the players would not give up their day jobs for the meagre wages offered. The 1986–87 Scottish First Division did not contain a single club who were full-time professional. Eleven of the better players including top scorer Rowan Alexander played for the Scotland national semi-professional football team at the 1987 Four Nations Tournament (1979–2008). In fact the 1986–87 Scottish Premier Division had three of 12 clubs which were part-timers, so not even the top division was "fully professional" at that time. Not that any of this matters, since we are agreement that GNG is not met. Bring back Daz Sampson (talk) 13:18, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Where are you getting this info from? Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 14:33, 5 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete. Fails WP:GNG through lack of significant coverage; whether they meet WP:NFOOTY is irrelevant. BilledMammal (talk) 02:30, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Kevin Holt (article on his son), where he's mentioned, and so is a valid WP:ATD. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:17, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete - fails GNG and NFOOTBALL. GiantSnowman 19:36, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete he played a few games for a part-time club. This is not a sign of notability, and we do not have adequate coverage.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:08, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Leaning towards Delete though the Redirect suggested by Joseph2302 might be a useful ATD should anyone search for him, and I can understand Spiderone's point. But ultimately we cannot have articles for players of questionable notability simply because they benefit from an institutional bias, as minor gridiron football players and baseball players also do but other footballers generally do not.  RobinCarmody (talk) 14:24, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete as they lack notability but I like the redirect option.Gusfriend (talk) 08:47, 11 February 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.