Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gordon the Big Engine


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to List of characters in The Railway Series. Eddie891 Talk Work 16:25, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Gordon the Big Engine

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I prodded it with the following rationale: "The coverage (references, external links, etc.) does not seem sufficient to justify this article passing General notability guideline and the more detailed Notability (fiction) requirement. WP:BEFORE did not reveal any significant coverage on Gnews, Gbooks or Gscholar." It was deprodded by User:Spinningspark with the following rationale "major character in series". This is, unfortunately, not a valid reason in light of the linged policies (GNG/NFICTION), and month and a half have passed with no significant improvement to the article (while much of the WP:FANCRUFT related to this series has been pruned). Time to discuss this one here too. Redirect, I guess? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 08:47, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  08:47, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  08:47, 6 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep Major recurring character in a variety of media and shows. See The Guardian for some interesting political commentary. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:08, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - Fails WP:GNG and WP:NOTPLOT. Not sure on the reliability of opinion pieces, but the above article hardly seems worthy of inclusion in the article regardless. It say very little about the actual character, and I doubt "Random Journalist compared the character to a British Prime Minister" is anything anyone would ever deem worthy of connecting to this character. TTN (talk) 18:09, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete when your character is so minor the actor who voices it also does 2 other roles, I do not think we have a case for notability. Maybe I am focusing on one film too much, but the sourcing does not come to the level of the multiple secondary sources giving indepth coverage that we need to show notability. Just because a character has lots of apparence in primary sources (the works themselves) does not make them notable. We need secondary coverage.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:25, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect - by the way, this is not a minor character, it is one of the main characters in one of the most significant children's franchises in both the United Kingdom and the United States. That said, having asked an expert to check sources and having done a BEFORE search myself, surprisingly there is very little in the way of independent, reliable sources that discuss this character in-depth.  Therefore when everything that fails WP:V amd WP:IS is removed (the fancruft) you have a little bit of information, all of which could and should be included in the main article.  There's no notability outside of the series (i.e. several of tourist excursion rails run a "Thomas" train, but I've never seen a "Gordon" train promoted.)   78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 14:06, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect to The Railway Series. As 78.26 states, Gordon was one of the main characters. Without wishing to sound like an old git, when I got read these stories as a small child, it was before the TV series had appeared that made Thomas the central character and sidelined everyone else - before that, in the books, the characters got equal treatment. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  14:34, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect to The Railway Series: No direct and indepth SIGCOV from RS. Being "famous" does not mean it is notable, in this case we have a fancruft + OR.   // Timothy ::  talk  20:50, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect per the above, but List of characters in The Railway Series is a more specific target. Thryduulf (talk) 12:15, 10 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep Some Google Scholar results. - Scarpy (talk) 21:11, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
 * WP:GOOGLEHITS which generally yields 99% of mentions in passing and other bad hits is not a strong argument. Which sources are reliable and discuss this character in-depth? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 07:47, 13 October 2020 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.