Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Goson Sakai


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The result was   delete. Lankiveil (speak to me) 00:59, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Goson Sakai

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Contested PROD. Concern was Article about a footballer who fails WP:GNG and who has not played in a fully pro league. PROD was contested on the grounds that the Japanese version of article is well referenced. This does not address the underlying notability concerns. Sir Sputnik (talk) 21:16, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
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 * Comment According to Football Lab, Sakai is currently playing for the J-22 team that plays in J-League Division 3 (J3 League) and has appeared in at least 2 matches. The J-22 team is made up of the best U-22 players on J-1 and J-2 teams. The J3 League started this year and my understanding is that it is fully professional, but WikiProject Football has still not included it in their list of fully professional leagues WP:FPL. Perhaps the Project hasn't gotten around to it? Michitaro (talk) 00:44, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
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 * Delete - player who has not played in a fully professional league nor senior international football so fails WP:NFOOTY still stands. No indication of any other achievements garner significant reliable coverage to pass WP:GNG either. J3 may be fully pro, but there is no consensus to date that it is. Fenix down (talk) 06:52, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. GiantSnowman 18:56, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete - After researching this some more, it seems that J3 League is more complicated than I thought. While all the teams are members of the Japan Professional Football League, and are thus professional teams, the rules are more relaxed compared to J1 and J2, so some teams can have amateurs, even though most of the players are professional. J3 is thus a more complex phenomenon than can be dealt with here. As the rules now stand, he fails WP:NFOOTBALL. It is a bit more complicated with regard to WP:GNG. Since he comes from a famous family of soccer and judo players, he has gotten more coverage than one would expect of someone at this stage in his career. Some of the following are significant RS, and even those that are not significant coverage use his name in the headline:, , , , , , , . I even found this YouTube video of a TV show featuring him: . My concern is that his notability at this stage is, in a sense, inherited from his family. So far, he has not yet shown independent notability. That is the reason I am voting "weak delete". Michitaro (talk) 01:52, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep - Michitaro's extensive list of references makes me think more weak keep than delete. Bottom line is it is more than he's got extensive media coverage for just being related to famous people. If he wasn't playing on a mostly-professional team he wouldn't be getting this level of coverage. But he does, much of it meets WP:GNG and it's not difficult to find even more examples such as . Nfitz (talk) 20:30, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete notability is not inherited, so lots of mentions without significant coverage doesn't pass WP:GNG. Add article when he is on a fully qualifying team, or when he has depth of coverage, not breath. --Bejnar (talk) 22:45, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
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