Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gospel rock


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Redirected to Christian rock. This target has the most substantial consensus, and there is clear consensus that the article can not continue existing as it is. If a better redirect target becomes apparent in the future, that can be settled with an RFD. bd2412 T 11:48, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Gospel rock

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Hazily defined subgenre of gospel music, almost entirely WP:OR, apparently containing any rock music that the anonymous article creator thinks sounds a bit like gospel, even though not a single band mentioned can be described as playing in a gospel music genre. All Saved Freak Band sing about the Gospel, but their article correctly describes them as contemporary Christian music. The only references in the article are for Spirit in the Sky, and one song does not a subgenre make, and per that article, Greenbaum was not a gospel musician. First created by an anonymous editor in February. I tried redirecting it then, but it's now back. No significant current use of the term in WP:RS online in the sense it's used here. There are a few mentions of the term in GBooks in some rock history books referring to artists like Little Richard combining gospel styles with rock & roll, but apart from that it mainly appears to be a now-unused term for Christian rock. "Rock gospel" used to have its own Grammy category, but that's since been changed to Contemporary Christian music. The Mighty Glen (talk) 01:12, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. The Mighty Glen (talk) 01:13, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. The Mighty Glen (talk) 01:13, 24 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Bold redirect to Christian rock since it seems a valid target, otherwise delete since the article content is purely OR. 198.84.253.202 (talk) 02:16, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much -- but that replacement of page content seemed to be a bit early considering that the discussion has started today. Please wait until the discussion is closed by an administrator, who will then likely also create the redirect. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 21:21, 24 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Redirect to a proper target, maybe Christian rock, as mentioned above. ‡ Єl Cid of ᐺalencia  ᐐT₳LKᐬ  03:36, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Christian rock or Contemporary Christian music with protection. The content in the article looks to be WP:OR. There don't appear to be enough sources in a search even to rewrite it properly, but as it is a plausible search term, it might be worth keeping as a redirect. However, it may need protection to stop repeated wrong-headed attempts to turn it into a full article Hzh (talk) 19:28, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I'd personally prefer redirecting to Contemporary Christian music instead of Christian rock because of the noticeably different quality. Replacing original research by a redirect to another original-research-tagged article is probably not as useful for now. That doesn't mean that the redirect can't change in the future, of course. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 22:02, 24 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Christian rock. Current text is a pile of original research. Binksternet (talk) 23:46, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment. Note that WP:G5 speedy deletion applies, since the Arkansas-based IPs warring the stuff back in are all from indefinitely blocked User:Jakob9999. My !vote is still to redirect, but the issue is much clearer knowing that block evasion is involved. Binksternet (talk) 18:26, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Christian rock. Worth redirecting term because it is in use (book hits ) and is therefore a useful search term.  And pray that some knowledgeable Christian rock fan invests the time to improve Christian rock up to good.E.M.Gregory (talk) 14:28, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Move to Rock Gospel - The fact the Grammy for two decades awarded a prize to "Rock Gospel" is prima facie the subject exists. Guys, WP:Deletion is not cleanup, any improperly sourced content you should edit out, even if you leave the article merely a stump, but clearly deleting the page of a legitimate subject is not good. XavierItzm (talk) 17:51, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
 * If you check the edit history, this article has never been about the genre that was nominated for and awarded the Grammy. Wouldn't it make more sense to start that article, if it's actually a separate subgenre, distinct from Christian rock or CCM? And has Rock Gospel ever been called Gospel rock? I'm not criticising your suggestion, I simply want to learn in case I've made a mistake. Thanks, The Mighty Glen (talk) 18:16, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Agreed that sourcing for the "Gospel Rock" term looks to be threadbare, so it probably cannot hold. Because of the significant weight of the decades-long Grammy "Rock Gospel" Award, the article should be moved to "Rock Gospel" and pared down to what its currently existing sources allow, which is probably not longer than a stump. XavierItzm (talk) 20:49, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
 * No. Having an article listing the winners of the  Grammy Award for Best Rock Gospel Album is fine.  But this article should NOT be merged there.  "Christian rock"  "Rock Gospel" and "Gospel rock" describe the same musical genre.  REDIRECTing this article to the older, better article, - with selective merge - continues to make sense.E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:22, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * If "Christian rock", "Rock Gospel", and "Gospel rock" are synonymous terms, there ought to be a section on the one surviving article with full WP:RS supporting evidence that these are synonyms.  If you are unable to provide such WP:RS, then obviously you need a separate article for "Rock Gospel," which is such an important category that the Grammy awarded prizes to it for decades. XavierItzm (talk) 20:52, 1 May 2018 (UTC)


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