Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Govardhan Vigraham


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The result was delete.  Sandstein  07:37, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

Govardhan Vigraham

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Other than a few trivial mentions, not nearly enough in-depth coverage was found to show that they pass WP:GNG. Appears to be accomplished, but I can't verify any of the claims made in the article from independent sources. The current single source is a dead link, and the only other reference is the website, which is unreliable. An editor continually tries to add info sourced from Facebook, which is also another unreliable source.  Onel 5969  TT me 13:41, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions.  Onel 5969  TT me 13:41, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
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 * Comment: I have found an archived copy of the website, but I have no opinion on the source whatsoever. KGirl  (Wanna chat?) 15:08, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

External sources to validate what appears in the wiki page. It would be prudent not to delete the page Govardhan Vigraham https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filmfare_Award_for_Best_Special_Effects http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1229222/ http://www.animation-boss.com/vfx_270712.html http://www.animationxpress.com/index.php/latest-news/the-journey-of-haider-vfx-shot-break-downs-and-more-with-digikore-studios http://www.animationxpress.com/index.php/vfx/digikore-studios-making-ripples-in-the-vfx-industry http://www.animationxpress.com/index.php/latest-news/the-vfx-break-down-of-vishal-bhardwajs-masterpiece-haider http://www.animationxpress.com/index.php/vfx/prime-focus-provides-593-vfx-shots-for-bharadwaj-pictures-pvt-ltd-and-fox-star-studios-matru-ki-bijlee-ka-mandola http://www.animationxpress.com/index.php/animation/big-aims-brings-pixars-jay-shuster-to-india-for-cool-guru-multi-city-seminar-series http://www.efxmagic.com/press-coverages/press/man_ambu.pdf
 * Keep While the above "throw as many references as possible at the AfD and see what sticks" approach is rarely helpful, the citations to Animation Express appear to be significant, independent coverage of this effects artist in WP:RS.  should integrated them into the article itself or at least add them to the article talk page.  Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 19:00, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment - I was thinking along those lines,, but I'm not sure that sight is either reliable or independent. It appears to be a site set up to promote the animation industry in India, and I'm not sure how they get content. Reading the articles, they are almost all written as press releases, highly complimentary of the subject. What are your thoughts? I respect your opinion, and if you think it's a reliable, independent site (I'm leaning not), I'll withdraw the nomination.  Onel 5969  TT me 20:05, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
 * , thank you for the reply. From the whois domain lookup and the About Us pages, they appear to have corporate independence i.e., not being owned by another organization. I have noticed that editorial independence, on the other hand, is trickier to assess when dealing with Indian media.  As always when judging reliability, context matters. I have reviewed about 15 of the stories on that site and I have yet to find one that is clearly plagiarized or copied from another source, e.g., a press release site.  It is also clear that the site considers it part of their editorial mission to both inform the effects communities in Indian cinema and to promote them.   Given that, I would say that the site is likely reliable for what might be called "plain facts" - e.g., this person is working on this film or this studio is contributing to that project.  If they publish multiple times on a person (as they have here), then, whatever level of promotion this gives that person, there has been an editorial judgment that their readers want to hear about them multiple times. Taken together, that is notable. My opinion about whether they are "deserving" of such coverage is irrelevant.  They have been the subject of that coverage and that's the standard that GNG asks of us.  Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 20:44, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that . But I'm still not sure. Whenever a purported "independent" source uses phrases like, "Digikore is a new-age creative visual effects studio with a unique delivery model which is guided by dedication to client satisfaction, organized by vertical industry as well as service line" (that's the opening sentence). And "Bhardwaj has also experimented with the treatment given to his movies and one man who has immensely helped him in adding some ‘visual spice’ to his films Govardhan Vigraham aka ‘Govi’ as he’s lovingly called by all filmmakers." "Lovingly"?? are you serious? Add to the fact that the person behind this website is Anil Wanvari (who you get when using that wonderful resource you have above, "whois"), who if you look at his twitter and linked in profile, is also behind this site, which has some connection with the awards that all these Indian film folk tout as being an incredible accomplishment. I am also not saying whether or not they are deserving of coverage, just how independent is that coverage. Indian coverage regarding entertainment is highly suspect to begin with, and this all seems so closely interconnected I'm not sure it can be called independent.  It's definitely not objective.  Onel 5969  TT me 22:11, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 01:24, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete Wikipedia is not meant to be a directory of movie visual effects designers. We need to show secondary coverage of the person, not just coverage of their work. Nothing of the former is shown at all.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:52, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete -- a BLP that lacks sources that discuss the subject directly and in detail. Visual effects designers are rarely notable and this one misses the mark. K.e.coffman (talk) 06:39, 8 September 2017 (UTC)


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