Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Governance without government


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. -- RoySmith (talk) 02:01, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Governance without government

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Page created by a CU-blocked sock; the sock's claim that It is a paradigm opposing modern democracy. doesn't appear to be supported by any sources. It doesn't appear to be about any coherent topic beyond what is already described at Governance (which is not focused purely on governance by governments). power~enwiki ( π, ν ) 18:08, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Social science-related deletion discussions. North America1000 21:01, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment. At this point for me, this article is convincing, and I am leaning toward Keep until better arguments are presented here. The sources are clearly distinguishing this term as a concept on its own; there are too many to cite here. Moreover, I still don't see this term being fully addressed in the umbrella article for Governance. Am I missing something here? Why is this article here in AfD? Really, I mean. Den... (talk) 06:03, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 04:40, 28 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep, this is clearly a notable topic and is not so long that problems cannot be dealt with easily by cleanup. The following books use the phrase to describe governance on a world scale and have it either in the book title or a chapter heading:
 * Rosenau & Czempiel Governance Without Government: Order and Change in World Politics
 * Young, Governance in World Affairs
 * Bell & Hindmoor, Rethinking Governance: The Centrality of the State in Modern Society
 * There is also,
 * Kiflemariam, Governance Without Government: Community Managed Irrigation in Eritrea
 * but that may be tangential to this article – hard to say as it is not accessible online. On the other hand, this book also discusses the principle in a way that is clearly related to the subject of our article,
 * Qarmout, Delivering Aid Without Government: International Aid and Civil Society
 * Scholarly papers on the subject include,
 * Peters & Pierre, "Governance Without Government? Rethinking Public Administration", Journal of Public Administration and Theory
 * Rhodes "The New Governance: Governing without Government", Political Studies
 * Menkhaus, "Governance without Government in Somalia", International Security
 * Raeymaekers, Menkhaus, Vlassenroot, "State and non-state regulation in African protracted crises: governance without government?", Africa Focus
 * Albert, "Governance without government? Reflections on the orders of the European Union", 1997 Conference of the European Communities Studies Association
 * Holsti, "Governance Without Government: Polyarchy in Nineteenth-Century European International Politics", Major Texts on War, the State, Peace, and International Order
 * Börzel & Risse, "Governance without a state: Can it work?", Regulation & Governance
 * Bell & Hindmoor, "Governance without government? The case of the Forest Stewardship Council", Public Administration
 * Just the sheer number of independent researchers that have addressed this subject is enough to show that we should definitely have an article on Wikipedia. SpinningSpark 14:50, 28 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep. Per User:Spinningspark. BTW, what could be done to minimize the number of AfDs done too hastily, which have not checked sources properly? Den... (talk) 01:10, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
 * This wasn't hasty. It's created by a banned user, it doesn't talk about any of the topics mentioned above (which seem to be several different concepts, and based on my reading of the sources is a WP:CFORK of governance (specifically the section on "Private governance"); the semi-anarchy in parts of Somalia is very different from the European Union (which one of the articles seems to believe is not a government).  There is no content here worth saving apart from a WP:DICTDEF, and it's unclear what that dictionary definition should even be. power~enwiki ( π,  ν ) 01:18, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Weak keep - the subjects of an edited volume text by Cambridge University Press here provides very intense coverage. I don't think that all of SpinningSpark's references are fully relevant, as "Governance without a state" could be perceived as parallel but not supportive, but much of the rest of his finds were enough for me even before I found this book (which is also in his list of sources). Isingness (talk) 02:09, 1 November 2018 (UTC)


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