Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Government First Grade College, Carstreet


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Seraphimblade Talk to me 22:25, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

Government First Grade College, Carstreet

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repeatedly moved from draft by COI editor bypassing AFC, topic fails WP:NSCHOOL, WP:NCORP and is just advertising. Theroadislong (talk) 07:33, 12 May 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  13:46, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions. Theroadislong (talk) 07:33, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, zero evidence of notability. --DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:52, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Schools and Karnataka.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 08:02, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Relisting comment: The arguments suggesting keep don't actually use our policies or guidelines to establish notability. However, they offer circumstantial evidence that such notability might exist so rather than down weighting them (and given the limited support for deletion) let's try relisting one more time to see if actual sources showing notability can be found. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Barkeep49 (talk) 01:31, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep: Sources used are WP:RS, A grade accreditation by National Assessment and Accreditation Council itself makes it a notable, surely follows WP:GNG. Drat8sub (talk) 15:41, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Can you please point to the notability guideline which states that "A grade accreditation" makes an institution notable? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:45, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Grade accreditation count as WP:ROUTINE and not enough to pass notability guideline. The National Assessment and Accreditation Council has assessed 655 universities and 13,316 colleges, that doesn't really make all the 13,971 institutions notable enough for each of them to have an Wikipedia article. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 02:29, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Please say when will be the AfD tag remove from the article?If this article is need an improvement then give me suggestions.Thank you Ardo27 (talk) 12:56, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * When will the AfD tag be removed depends on what other editors think of this article in this AfD. If we reached a "keep" or "draftify", or no census was reached, then the article can stay. Admin would give a week of time for debate, and at the end of the week they will decide whether to close the AfD based on the current state of discussion. In the meantime you can still improve the article by adding adequate sources.
 * Under Wikipedia policy, the sources would need to pass all the criteria in WP:GNG. In short, they need to be 1) independent from the subject; 2) talked about the subject in depth; 3) be reliable sources; 4) not WP:ROUTINE; and 5) not primary sources. If the sources can satisfy other editors reviewing this AfD, then they will vote for keep. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 04:20, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. Working on this. Needs unsupported promo narrative removing. Being opened by the State Minister for Higher Education suggests it's notable. The State of Karnataka has a population of 61 million. The first state government evening college for the district of Dakshina Kannada (population over 2 million) was set up here, see https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mangaluru/dakshina-kannada-gets-its-first-govt-evening-college/articleshow/86463146.cms. After careful consideration, I believe there's enough coverage in multiple, reliable, independent sources to satisfy WP:GNG for this particular college. I understand there's over 30,000 of these colleges in India, so recognise the need for selectivity. Rupples (talk) 05:34, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete Having a gov't official show up to open your school is what they do, it's called a photo op. Rest is routine coverage or trivial mentions of the school. Scoring a high grade isn't notable either, the schools all get graded, so one is no more important than another when this happens. There are no sources discussing the history or architecture of the school, simply mentions of things happening at it, all of it routine coverage. Oaktree b (talk) 02:28, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * That grading article also uses flowery language and basically says it was graded B before, the staff worked hard and it got an A. Oaktree b (talk) 02:30, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

Comment. Editors dismiss the coverage as "routine" and invoke WP:ROUTINE, yet I don't see "routine" mentioned anywhere in the WP:GNG or for that matter in WP:NORG, but please correct me if I'm wrong. I don't agree that the Minister of State is your typical government official opening the college. Architecture of school buildings doesn't appear in most of the school, college, university articles I've looked at and doesn't necessarily support notability of the institution. There are already elements of history in the article; history is ongoing and can be added when significant events are reported. Further, Notability (organizations and companies) states in its opening paragraph ''The scope of this guideline covers all groups of people organized together for a purpose with the exception of non-profit educational institutions. . . ''. This college is a non-profit educational institution run by the state and therefore falls outside the scope of the guideline, hence "fails WP:NCORP" in the nomination is not relevant. Rupples (talk) 07:50, 31 May 2023 (UTC)


 * I'm rechecking my last statement is correct re 'non-profit' - don't want to mislead anyone and I'm not familiar with the system. Students do pay tuition fees, but my understanding is that the Government Colleges are part-financed by the State. Rupples (talk) 09:23, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * No opinion on whether the coverage is routine or not, but the part of WP:N that covers routineness is WP:SBST. Nonprofit educational institutions could indeed be retained under GNG. Alpha3031 (t • c) 00:06, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 🌶️Jalapeño🌶️ Don't click this link! 08:11, 8 June 2023 (UTC) Relisting comment: Mistakenly closed it. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 🌶️Jalapeño🌶️ Don't click this link! 06:59, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, looks like an advertisement. DreamRimmer (talk) 18:46, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * This article about a Government college which is in Karnataka, India and it recognized by University Grants Commission and also accredited A grade by National Assessment and Accreditation Council. So I created this article.after the editors comment and suggestions I improved and removed unnecessary things which looks like advertisement.so please check the article once then if there is any changes are required to improve please suggest me.Thank you Ardo27 (talk) 14:31, 3 June 2023 (UTC) sockmaster 🌶️Jalapeño🌶️ Don't click this link! 07:01, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * this article relisted more than 2 times (according to Wikipedia policy article not relisted more than 2 times). we didn't get any new comments till today. 1 week ago. Thank you Ardo27 (talk) 05:54, 15 June 2023 (UTC) sockmaster 🌶️Jalapeño🌶️ Don't click this link! 07:01, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete according to the nomination and the ongoing conversation. In any case, it does not meet the criteria of WP:NSCHOOL and WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES. RPSkokie (talk) 09:37, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment This AFD is a mess. And the article has been moved and the AFD tag has been removed. Liz Read! Talk! 03:23, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Suggestion - Merge with Mangalore University? It's a pretty short article, the University has an official "Association" with 5 other "colleges" - which makes it sound like they are satellite locations of the main college?  This specific location/school is only in it's second year of accreditation, so it doesn't have much history yet.  Denaar (talk) 08:44, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Doing further reading - there are thousands of these small local schools that are "Affiliated" with a bigger University, to expand educational opportunities. This is an article about it:
 * "Andhra University has 405 affiliated undergrad colleges; Bangalore University 400; Osmania 390 and Bombay University 300. Quite clearly supervising the operations, conducting examinations and awarding degrees to students of such large numbers of affiliated colleges stretches the resources of parent universities to the limit, leaving little time for them to supervise postgrad education and undertake research studies which should be their first priorities."
 * "The affiliating system of colleges was originally designed when their number in a university was small. The university could then effectively oversee the working of the colleges, act as an examining body and award degrees on their behalf."
 * So - Merge seems appropriate unless there is a lot of notability about a specific affiliate, should be case-by-case, but this one has only been accreddited two years and hasn't generated much coverage yet.
 * Denaar (talk) 08:58, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep for now based on existing referencing support, the article can be improved and/or renominated for deletion again in the future. - Indefensible (talk) 16:15, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep — there are several noteworthy points about this particular college, especially after removing ad-like text. Several sources note specific emphasis on improving education rates in the area, there are actions taken by the government to advocate and support education for women, and the institution has been around for 15+ years now (looks to have been founded in 2007).
 * If it becomes ad-like again, it would seem reasonable to delete after another AfD if it ends up deteriorating. The article could use some additional content to support what I mentioned above, but it otherwise reads better with only a little bit of extra care. Pedantical (talk) 19:46, 2 July 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.