Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Government Warehouse

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this  page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was keep. Tony Sidaway|Talk 22:14, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Government Warehouse
A completely random, unreferenced, and made-up list of things that might be hidden in a secret government warehouse. Not are alleged to be, but might be; in its current construction, this list ought to list anything related to any conspiracy theory ever, as well as a number of completely random artifacts from history and legend. (Who has alleged that Amaterastu's sword is hidden in a Japanese government facility? Anyone, ever?)  The fictional contents of this hypothetical warehouse are similarly random and unsupported (except for the Ark of the Covenant, which is the only thing that links here other than conspiracy theory and list of conspiracy theories). The only remotely salvagable parts of this list are redundant with list of conspiracy theories, and even then, any specific link between the cover-ups referenced here and a monolithic secret government warehouse are spurious at best. '''Original research. Delete.''' -Sean Curtin 01:05, May 26, 2005 (UTC)
 * Now that the article has ben rewritten (and the ridiculous list removed) by UncleG, it's at least as worth keeping as articles on similar archetypes in pop fiction and folklore. Consider my nomination for deletion withdrawn.  -Sean Curtin 01:22, May 28, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete unverifiable, original research CDC   (talk)  01:23, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, agree with Sean Curtin. --bainer (talk) 01:35, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, most examples seem to be made up by author. Gazpacho 01:44, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Although this is rather amusing, and may be fodder for a website, it is not suitable for a Wikipedia article. Possibly move to BJAODN? --M412k 01:58, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
 * A lot of this content is bunkum. In the Stargate television series the Stargate was housed in a facility located beneath Cheyenne Mountain, for example, not in a government warehouse.  On the other hand, this is a concept that is used in works of fiction, and we can certainly have an article on a common fictional plot device, as a plot device.  Watching Raiders of the Lost Ark is enough to verify the existence of such a plot device. &#9786;  What we cannot verify is all the stuff about what governments in reality have such warehouses, what the rules of the secret society of caretakers are, and where they may be.  All of that stuff is too secret for Wikipedia.  Moreover, the references that this article cites are entirely bogus.  (From an earlier version of that same "Government Warehouse List": "Recently, I decided to try to use this warehouse in a role-playing game, for fun.  I've been trying to figure out things that should be in some of the boxes.".)  At best, this article needs an industrial strength dose of Cleanup.  Every single item needs to demonstrate exactly what work of fiction uses the government warehouse plot device in relation to it, or be mercilessly edited out.  And the utter conjecture at the top needs to go, too. Uncle G 02:24, 2005 May 26 (UTC)
 * It might be worth differentiating government warehouse from Government Warehouse, moreover. For a list of what is stored in one government warehouse, see here.  For procedures relating to government warehouses, see here.  For legislation relating to government warehouses, see here.  For a memorandum relating to a government warehouse, see here.  For a picture of people removing things from a government warehouse, see here. Quite dull in comparison to Martian spaceships.  But a damn sight more verifiable. Uncle G 02:24, 2005 May 26 (UTC)
 * Keep. Clever description of a very common concept in fiction.  Reminds me of a similar article: President of Earth. Gamaliel 02:27, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
 * BJAODN. Megan1967 06:39, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. It's a concept that exists in a lot of literature, media, etc.  Therefore it's notable.  Perhaps retitle (by adding something in parentheses) so as to make sure the concept discussed in this article doesn't get confused with actual warehouses and storage facilities known to be owned and maintained by governments. Blackcats 07:13, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Note: This is not original research per se, but a copy of a long-running and ever-expanding fannish list, which appears to have been skillfully edited to remove some of the more idiocentric items. It is fiction, and probably belongs in BJAODN, with a clear label that it is fiction.  It is, as peope have pointed out, inconsistent with other fictive universes and the original is internally inconsistent.  It may be a copyvio -- I don't know.  It wants delete-ing, but it wants an audit trail left behind it (sorry for lame phraseology -- I'm not a Wiki-talk expert) and a block on recreation -- does this equate to a redirect to the BJAODN entry ? --Simon Cursitor 07:21, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Interesting and a notable concept in fiction and conspiracy theories. the wub (talk) 08:01, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - somebody has played too much GURPS Warehouse 23. There used to be an endless fan-generated listing of possibilities and this would attract more - Skysmith 09:50, 26 May 2005 (UTC) Rather more sensible version. No vote - Skysmith 07:57, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, not an encyclopedia article. If kept, should only contain objects where the work of fiction alleging the stored item is also listed (e.g. the Ark of the Covenent in Raiders of the Lost Ark, Alien space craft in Independence Day) Average Earthman 11:09, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, replace with redirect to Warehouse 23? Radiant_* 13:02, May 26, 2005 (UTC)
 * BJAODN. Unlike President of Earth, the government warehouse is a generic term and not a concept per se. Scimitar 15:04, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. A prototype for the HAL 9000? Please. Mr Bound 21:15, May 26, 2005 (UTC)
 * After this extensive cleanup, I now change my vote to keep. Good work. I think Raiders of the Lost Ark might even need a link here. Mr Bound 14:34, May 28, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete drini &#9742; 02:48, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment I agree with Uncle G. U$er 06:11, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Interesting and important information. :) Vorash 08:31, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Highly popular idea in conspiracy circles, very detailed and encyclopedic Lord Patrick 10:43, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
 * BJAODN. JamesBurns 11:39, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Karol 11:47, May 27, 2005 (UTC)
 * Rewritten article. I've given the article that dose of industrial-strength cleanup that I mentioned. Also see the article's talk page. This might address the concerns raised by Skysmith, Mr Bound, Cdc, Thebainer, Gazpacho, Simoncursitor, and Gtrmp. Uncle G 19:38, 2005 May 27 (UTC)
 * Keep as rewritten. -- BD2412  talk  17:26, 2005 May 31 (UTC)
 * Delete Death69 Comes up for deletion every six months. Put it out of it misery.  02:59, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
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