Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Grace & Charm


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Lankiveil (speak to me) 07:26, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Grace & Charm

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Like articles of other Kelly Chen's albums, Stylish Index's notability is absent. I am also nominating the following related pages because of the same reasons above:

Gh87 (talk) 21:46, 18 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Deleting per Articles for deletion/Love (Kelly Chen album). Leaving The Big Day (album) open for discussion. — kwami (talk) 01:08, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Forget it. I've tried a dozen times; the servers are too overloaded to respond. I see no reason for the next admin not to delete, though. — kwami (talk) 01:13, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Still having a tech problem deleting this particular article, but not others. Seems it doesn't want to go. — kwami (talk) 11:21, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions.  —  D OOMSDAYER 520  (Talk|Contribs) 16:13, 20 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment - The article for Grace & Charm (under discussion in this AfD) contains both that title and the title Stylish Index. It appears to me that those are two different albums in reality, or one is a re-release of the other. Also, a separate article for Stylish Index was already speedy deleted here. Beware of this mix-up when searching for sources. Anyone interested in cleaning out these articles might also want to take a look at Kelly Chen discography. -- D OOMSDAYER 520  (Talk|Contribs) 16:25, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete Hasn't charted, and the Google search parameters ""Grace & Charm kelly chen" -wikipedia -facebook -twitter -myspace -amazon -youtube -linkedin -ancestry -google.com -books.google.com" bring up 8 hits. I feel if the album were notable it would have brought more hits than that. Additionally, the artist herself hasn't charted according to Billboard.    ArcAngel    (talk) ) 14:44, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Note - Arcangel is correct about the sources, but Billboard is only an American chart, and Kelly Chen's success has been in Hong Kong and elsewhere in Asia, as stated in her article. If there is evidence that this album charted outside of the US, that would be a factor in this deletion discussion. -- D OOMSDAYER 520  (Talk|Contribs) 16:46, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Deryck C. 20:41, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Relisting admin's comment: I suspect those in this discussion have been searching for sources from the wrong places. The article concerns a Cantonese album in Hong Kong, but the deletion discussion revolves around evidence found from American (and other English-language) charts and sources. Therefore, I don't think the discussion has arrived at a valid consensus, and I'm relisting this discussion and cross-posting at WikiProject Hong Kong. Deryck C. 20:44, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Hong Kong-related deletion discussions. Deryck C. 20:47, 25 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep per WP:NALBUMS, "Songs that have been ranked on national or significant music charts, that have won significant awards or honors or that have been independently released as a recording by several notable artists, bands or groups are probably notable." There are 4 major charts in Hong Kong (903, RTHK, 997, TVB), and songs from this album, particularly, have been #1 on 3 of the charts. T@vatar (discuss–?) 17:38, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment: Why not including chart performances in the article? --Gh87 (talk) 19:46, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:19, 3 June 2011 (UTC)




 * Keep: I have reworked this article ... added three refs to show the album exists and two major awards the track "希望" (Hope) have won in Hong Kong. Hopefully it is closer to meeting notability as per WP:NALBUMS.--Michaela den (talk) 14:25, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.