Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Grace Clawson (2nd nomination)


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The result was delete. Salvio Let's talk about it! 00:51, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Grace Clawson
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WP:BIO1E. Non-notable. Sources are GRG, an archived dead link (but the archive link is broken as well), a blocked article of the Chicago Tribune and another dead link. Includes POV trivia  She remained mentally sharp until her very last day of life, enjoying talks with her family and friends. &raquo; Shadowowl  &#124;  talk  16:46, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
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 * Delete. Non notable for stand alone article, as per WP:BIO; trivial. Kierzek (talk) 17:21, 20 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep The article is not about an event and so WP:BIO1E is irrelevant. The problem with access to sources like the Chicago Tribune is due to the GDPR which is irrelevant too.  Coverage in such newspapers is adequate evidence to pass WP:GNG and so we're good. Andrew D. (talk) 21:06, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
 * And there we have the first keepist. She is only notable for 1 thing and should be only mentioned at a list of oldest people. Shadowowl on mobile (talk) 22:45, 20 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete This article fails WP:GNG and WP:BIO1E because there is only very sparse WP:ROUTINE coverage of her. There is no guideline that "the oldest x" is notable either. The article is also filled with typical longevity trivia (born, married, had kids, worked, and died) which is not needed. The encyclopedic information in this article, her age, life dates, and nationality is already recorded on various lists where it is easier to view, such as List of supercentenarians from the United States. On a side note, this article is pretty much in the same exact condition it was in when it was deleted the first time. Newshunter12 (talk) 21:05, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Merge to appropriate list(s). The question, always, with these routine nothing-special bios of old people is how best to present them, even assuming they're notable. And someone like this is best presented in a list or lists. Most of the article is fluff (names of relatives, heartwarming story of birth certificate, etc.) and what little is left is easily and compactly summarized. EEng 17:37, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete or Redirect to appropriate list per WP:NOPAGE and WP:PERMASTUB. Take out the original research about how someone was older but now isn't recognised and you're left with the bare basics of born, worked, moved to Canada then the US, had kids and then died. Easily handled on a list. CommanderLinx (talk) 11:32, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete No evidence of the type of coverage that would be sufficient to meet WP:N. There's nothing here of encyclopedic value that couldn't be reproduced effectively on one of the many longevity-related lists on Wikipedia. Canadian   Paul  21:27, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete fails WP:BIO1E, WP:GNG. Happy for a redirect to the appropriate list, but we should delete the history first. SportingFlyer  talk  00:43, 28 September 2018 (UTC)


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