Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Grace Sai


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The result was delete. Consensus is that the article does not meet the main notability guideline due to the lack of "significant" coverage in reliable secondary sources. Davewild (talk) 07:11, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Grace Sai

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Non notable businessperson with minor awards, written in a highly promotional manner. The apparently impressive "t" is a list invented by a newspaper, not an award. A writings section list a contribution to one compendium and one newspaper item. Notice the unusual reference style, apparently adapted from some other publication.  DGG ( talk ) 19:16, 9 April 2015 (UTC) .  DGG ( talk ) 19:16, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

Grace is an important person in the Southeast Asia entrepreneurship / startup scene and a leading social entrepreneur in the region which is why I created the page. I am happy to take feedback on the "unusual" reference style, so it would be good if DGG could explain what he finds unusual and how he would suggest I reference the various news articles etc.  Tobias Tan  18:10, 10 April 2015 (UTC) .  Tobiastan ( Tobias Tan) 18:10, 10 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment: The Hub Singapore is apparently based out of the NYC Academy, 113 Somerset Road. However I don't know whether it's an initiative or similar of the NYC, which would make the Hub a semi-state body, or if it is just leasing space and services from the NYC. The Hub Singapore website doesn't make clear what relationship, if any, they have with the council. Ceannlann gorm (talk) 17:31, 10 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep - The Hub Singapore is an independent co-working space and is incorporated as a private limited company in Singapore (The Hub Singapore Pte Ltd). I have been operating an angel / seed investment fund out of Singapore since 2004 and I can vouch for Grace and say that she has a high standing in both entrepreneurial, government and diplomatic circles. She is a frequent speaker around Southeast Asia, both on campuses and on television. I note in the article that it is mentioned that she was even a TEDx speaker in the past and that she is advising the Malaysian government. Would be a little puzzled if she is not qualified for a Wikipedia entry given that she is probably the leading social entrepreneurship proponent in Southeast Asia and she has a high number of credible references. That The Guardian chooses to mention her among the "50 voices of social entrepreneurship" (globally) (and alongside people like Nick Clegg and Richard Branson) should be a strong reason to make it tip in her favour. User:Klippgen (User talk:Klippgen) 00:39, 11 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. lavender|(formerlyHMSSolent)|lambast 00:05, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Malaysia-related deletion discussions. lavender|(formerlyHMSSolent)|lambast 00:05, 10 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete - sources are either one-paragraph copy/paste bios, interviews, or mere mentions (some don't even mention her at all). The Oxford reference is probably the only reliable source that talks about her in any detail. Primefac (talk) 10:31, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
 * Challenge - I am surprised about the aggressiveness here. I can not find any references that do not mention her, could you please list the references you are referring to? I am happy to re-write this article and make it smaller if that makes more sense, but I disagree that she is not notable based on careful reading of Wikipedia's rigid notability guidelines. In the context of Southeast Asia, she is definitely notable and the sum of the references is a reflection of that. User:Tobiastan (User Tobiastan) 00:57, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 00:45, 17 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete - the sources are all either written by her or don't have her as the main subject, and reading the article it's a little confusing to what she's actually notable for. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  20:05, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Singapore-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 20:19, 17 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Weak delete - Sai does appear to have created some real world notability for herself, as evidence by the numerous pubications which mentyion her and/or her company. Unfortunately, it does not appear any reliable sources have written about her as a person in any detail yet, so she there isn't enough to write an article around and she doesn't meet our definition of notability because of it.  Ping  who accepted this at AfC in case I missed something. --ThaddeusB (talk) 04:29, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete. Lacks significant coverage in actually reliable sources. APerson (talk!) 00:14, 20 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Update / Keep. Only one article is written by Sai herself, there were mistakes in the references and one double ref. to the same article that now has been removed. There are more articles in print that have Sai as the main subject, I am working on adding them as well. I still remain convinced that she meets the Wikipedia notability guidelines given her affiliations with the United Nations, The Skoll Foundation, TEDx, as a successful founder of one of Southeast Asia's leading co-working spaces, from founding an Indonesian charity and as a voice of social entrepreneurship making it to international newspapers. User:tobiastan (User talk:tobiastan!) 9:24, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.