Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Grady Hall


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Black Kite (talk) 22:16, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Grady Hall

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Biographical article for a seemingly non-notable director. References consist mostly of mere mentions of his involvement with various projects. Fails WP:FILMMAKER. - MrX 21:20, 21 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete No assertion of notability in the article, fails WP:FILMMAKER, and I confirm that the sources cited are passing mentions and not articles written about this person.  Blue Rasberry    (talk)   22:25, 21 November 2013 (UTC) See below.   Blue Rasberry    (talk)   22:24, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
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 * I'm reopening and relisting for one more week per a request on my talk page. Mark Arsten (talk) 06:29, 10 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep Clearly passes WP:ANYBIO number 1 "The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor, or has been nominated for one several times." That alone passes the requirements.  Just check the list of notable awards listed in his article now.   D r e a m Focus  11:53, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the Article Rescue Squadron's list of content for rescue consideration.  D r e a m Focus  12:07, 10 December 2013 (UTC)


 * delete neither of the sources about the video award even mention Grady hall. So we can't verify this achievement. There are zero sources for other awards. Thus fails WP:ANYBIO. LibStar (talk) 15:17, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
 * You can easily find verification for the awards he has won. The link to the MTV site shows he won the award for "Best Visual Effects".  How did you find your way here?  Upset at me for commenting just now at  most likely.   D r e a m Focus  15:23, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I participate in a wide variety of AfDs, suggest you desist from personal attacks. See WP:NPA as in your last edit summary. LibStar (talk) 15:30, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
 * And you just happen to find yourself here immediately after I commented in a deletion review about you. Uh huh.   D r e a m Focus  15:37, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Personal attacks and insults are never justified. LibStar (talk) 15:38, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Searching D&AD's official website for Grady Hall and the award he won, shows results  but requires you to sign up to see them.  Ample media coverage easily found and already referenced in the article for the MTV award he won.  PromaxBDA's website requites digging through a lot of articles to find anything, it not allowing you to search straight for the award winners there.  I'll look through the rest and see if I can reference to the official websites or elsewhere the information is confirmed.   D r e a m Focus  15:37, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
 * It is not a personal attack to point out to any closing administrator that your argument was based on you trying to get even with me for criticizing you in a deletion review. Honestly now, the MTV movie award he won is clearly mentioned in the article already.  Do you sincerely doubt he won the other awards listed?   D r e a m Focus  15:43, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
 * this edit summary is clearly a personal attack, "immature and ridiculous". LibStar (talk) 15:46, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

The fact that you first pretend there is no personal attack then try to dig yourself out as calling it a statement of fact, says it all, WP:KETTLE. LibStar (talk) 15:52, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
 * No, that is a statement of the fact. You are so immature you followed me here just to get even with someone who upset you by criticizing you, then made a ridiculous and incorrect statement.   D r e a m Focus  15:49, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
 * You know you followed me here, I know you did, and I think anyone who has the displeasure of having to deal with you before will realize that instantly also. Nothing you say will change that.  Hopefully the closing administrator will take that into account, and ignore your vote.   D r e a m Focus  15:55, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

And any admin will see you clearly made a personal attack. WP:KETTLE. I say.LibStar (talk) 15:58, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep Plenty of awards and references to satisfy WP:GNG. OhNo itsJamie Talk 18:04, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep Yup, do a bit of research and you'll find some interviews in reliable secondary sources, and winning that MTV award has surely paid off - he directed the latest Katy Perry video. SarahStierch (talk) 01:02, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Motion Theory (company), per WP:BASIC. I'm unconvinced by the coverage I've seen in the sources. -- Trevj (talk · contribs) 08:28, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
 * The awards went to him, not to his company. Just like a film director would get awards, not the company he was working for when he directed the notable projects.   D r e a m Focus  14:01, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, but that still doesn't confer notability. If the subject isn't notable, redirection is an option. -- Trevj (talk · contribs) 14:32, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
 * It does in fact confer notability. WP:NOTABILITY states A topic is presumed to merit an article if it meets the general notability guideline below, and is not excluded under the What Wikipedia is not policy.  A topic is also presumed notable if it meets the criteria outlined in a subject-specific guideline listed in the box on the right.  That box includes the notability guideline for people.  On that guideline page at Notability_(people) it clearly states that winning notable awards makes you notable enough to have a Wikipedia article.  It says The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor, and he has won multiple ones.   D r e a m Focus  16:35, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
 * OK, but that also states "meeting one or more does not guarantee that a subject should be included." IME the sources should directly address the subject in sufficient depth to provide foundations for a viable encyclopedic article. I'm not sure this is the case here. -- Trevj (talk · contribs) 08:08, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I think its a "viable encyclopedic article" right now. I just added three references to interviews where he talked a lot about his work.      D r e a m Focus  19:52, 22 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment There is new information here and this person is mentioned a lot. Could someone please point out the 2 best sources used to pass WP:N for this article? I am not seeing something which obviously meets inclusion criteria.  Blue Rasberry    (talk)   20:44, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
 * As I pointed out above, WP:Notability says you need to pass the GNG or a subject specific guideline such as Notability_(people) where it clearly states that winning notable awards makes you notable enough to have a Wikipedia article. He has won many awards for his works.  He also gets interviews such as the one at .   D r e a m Focus  21:34, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep Some of the notability claims being made are dubious and this is not a well-presented article. However, the interview you are presenting and the MTV award constitute fulfillment of WP:CREATIVE, "The person's work ... has won significant critical attention". The article is not well documenting this attention and is documenting a lot of content which should be deleted for failing WP:V. I support keeping this article but if anyone wished to deleted all unsourced or poorly sourced content - which is most of the article except for the MTV award - then I think the article would be improved.  Blue Rasberry    (talk)   22:24, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
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