Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Grady R. Kent


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Consensus of the discussion is that there are enough sources to meet WP:BASIC, even if the article in its current state needs improvement. RL0919 (talk) 04:36, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Grady R. Kent

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:ANYBIO. Excessively reliant on a single website of unclear reliability and certainly not neutral. —Madrenergictalk 16:12, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
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 * Delete per nom for failing WP:ANYBIO. I went looking for sources, found nothing. Ifnord (talk) 04:25, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep There appear to be many sources on the person as the founder of the Church of God -, should pass WP:GNG. Hzh (talk) 10:14, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I went looking through news sources and found nothing, your references are all books and appear good but they only mention the subject in passing. Once. Ifnord (talk) 15:55, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jovanmilic97 (talk) 12:16, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * KEEP per Hzh. Sourcing on Kent is plentiful and easily passes WP:BASIC. Do your WP:BEFORE work people! FOARP (talk) 13:43, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't think they're plentiful. Hzh found passing references to him as creator of a denomination. The denomination may be notable, but the subject doesn't appear so. WP:NOTINHERITED. Perhaps a redirect to Church of God would be better? Ifnord (talk) 15:55, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * The first one is the biography of the person, so I have no idea why you would claim that it is merely a passing mention, especially when you cannot see the rest in some of the others. Hzh (talk) 19:12, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Perhaps I am too inexperienced, but I do not think a single biographical entry in one book that is about 1,200 other religious figures would count as a significant coverage in multiple secondary sources per WP:GNG. —Madrenergictalk 19:35, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * The first is not a biography of the subject. The first lists him, along with 1 200 others as Madrenergic points out. Ifnord (talk) 20:07, 31 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment Taking a look from the article itself:
 * And then sources provided by Hzh:


 * Ifnord (talk) 20:37, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid I can't take your analysis seriously when you list a biographical entry as a passing mention. Presumably you'd also say that WP:ANYBIO is wrong because Dictionary of National Biography has 50,113 entries, therefore they must be all passing mentions. And as already mentioned, you can't even see what's in the other books, you are just making claims without any basis. Hzh (talk) 21:09, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I did not say I couldn't see the books. I can and did, my review is above. What I said was I didn't go looking for them, I went looking for news sources. And found none. WP:ANYBIO is fine, criteria 3 says, "The person has an entry in the Dictionary of National Biography or similar publication." The Dictionary of National Biography is recognized as standard work of reference on notable figures from British history. The source you quote is no Dictionary of National Biography . Ifnord (talk) 22:02, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid nothing you said is convincing. The biographical entry is an entry, that you can claim it is a passing mention shows that what you said is untrue. The DNB example is there simply to show the fallacy of your argument that because it is just one of 1,200 biographies, it can be considered a passing mention. Hzh (talk) 22:18, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * The DNB is directly quoted in WP:ANYBIO, as you can see above. It is there to indicate that if an entry in such a standard work of reference is present, it would indicate notability. Not every source is a standard work of reference book however. One may point to the Yellow Pages and say, "Look, the subject is listed!" Ifnord (talk) 22:41, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * You are no longer making sense. Hzh (talk) 23:26, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * COMMENT Ifnord is listing column-length entries in reliable sources as "not significant". In addition to the above references: this paragraph-length entry about him a book about N. Carolina faiths and the obituary in the The Call-Leader from Elwood, Indiana on April 2, 1964 · Page 11 which is accessible on Newspapers.com (account needed). Kent also appears to have written a book about the time he was attacked by the Ku Klux Klan, this attack also appears to have received news coverage though the articles are behind a pay-wall. This entry in what appears to be a reliable source also gives Grady significant coverage. FOARP (talk) 11:46, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep has significant reliable sources book coverage as detailed above, a page /column counts as significant coverage and therefore the subject passes WP:BASIC and deserves to be included in the encyclopedia Atlantic306 (talk) 18:22, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Randykitty (talk) 17:14, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep Sources provided on the article are reliable and the person is notable per WP:BASIC.  AD  Talk 18:04, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep I cannot agree that a biographical entry in a book such as Religious leaders of America is a passing mention. I can't see how much there is about him in The Encyclopedia of American Religions, but he is clearly not just mentioned once, as the snippet view ends with a new sentence starting "Kent ...". Nelson's Guide to Denominations is also only a snippet view, but in the single sentence visible we have Kent's years of birth and death, and his prior affiliation. In addition to those sources, Newspapers.com shows coverage of him from his flogging in 1939 and, through 1946 when he returned to Georgia to help wipe out the KKK (also includes that he had 8 children) , a 1953 report of a flying mission , a 1956 report about missing planes being found that includes the information that Kent flew to Jamaica on the start of a missionary tour of the Caribbean , a 1961 report of a speech where Kent outlined plans for Church of God cars, motorbikes and a navy , and a 1962 report of a Church of God motorcade - the info about him is short: he travelled with it, and initiated the fleet in 1958 (this source has different names for the fleet from the Wikipedia article) . Definitely enough to meet WP:GNG. The article definitely needs improvement for tone, sourcing (and spelling), but that is not a reason to delete it. RebeccaGreen (talk) 00:41, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I have the Religious leaders of America text in front of me (via Gale's Biography In Context). For anyone who needs, the text is four paragraphs, so that one's not a passing mention. On the whole, rest of the sourcing looks weak. (not watching, please )  czar  02:49, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment : It looks as if it's going to snow soon so let me just point out that the text, as it currently stands, is atrocious (e.g. solecisms such as "an american theologian"; the whole 1st para of the "Ministry" section, etc). -The Gnome (talk) 22:51, 14 January 2019 (UTC)


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