Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Graham Carey


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The result was   delete. Cirt (talk) 06:28, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Graham Carey

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Graham Carey is a youth team footballer who fails WP:ATHLETE because he has not played in a fully professional match. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 08:55, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 09:05, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Youth matches can be professional, can't they? - Mgm|(talk) 09:25, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Youth players are by definition not on full-time professional contracts, as the players are normally still at school -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:48, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm making a distinction between your regular local club and youth clubs that pay huge transfers for their players (including the particularly good youth ones). And aren't youth players sometimes paid even if they're still in school? If a player is paid, I would consider it a professional job regardless of their education status. - Mgm|(talk) 12:00, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment I'm paid, therefore I have a professional job. Wan't to write an article about me?. It's not simply about being paid. It is about notability. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a list of people who get paid to play football.-- Club Oranje Talk 01:22, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * True, but we didn't have a definite (not to mention quick and easy) benchmark such as making an appearance at a fully professional level, that would make it so much harder to decide whether a player is notable enough to appear on Wikipedia or not. Bettia   (rawr!)  15:43, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The notability guidelines for footballers specifically state that playing a competitive football match in a fully professional league establishes notability. The definition of "professional" is "someone who gets paid a regular salary for his/her work". Therefore, if a footballer plays in a league consisting of teams for which every single player is paid a regular salary for their work... that is a "fully professional league". it would not be impossible (but I don't really care enough to do it) to argue that certain reserve leagues, such as the English Reserve League, might qualify under this criterion... ugen64 (talk) 16:36, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment The article should be updated to list Carey on Celtic's Reserve squad. I don't know enough about European football club organization to know whether this rates more notability than a youth squad placement.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 13:43, 24 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete as player fails WP:ATHLETE; hasn't played in a fully-pro league. GiantSnowman 18:49, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - Fails WP:ATHLETE. I did an MSN search for Carey, and found a few articles on his national youth team's matches, but nothing on him specifically. Therefore, I don't believe he passes the general notability standard, either.  Giants2008  ( 17-14 ) 19:36, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Currently fails criteria, but perhaps he'll make it one day. Recreate if and when.-- Club Oranje Talk 01:22, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:ATHLETE. пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  09:56, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions.   -- Raven1977 (talk) 22:23, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete, per nom. Does not pass WP:ATHLETE. Nsk92 (talk) 23:05, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. He doesn't meet WP:ATHLETE yet. Recreate this article if and when he makes his professional debut. Bettia   (rawr!)  15:43, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. -- Alexf(talk) 11:21, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom Ban  Ray  18:19, 28 October 2008 (UTC)


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