Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Grand Duchy of Petrobourg


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. postdlf (talk) 23:25, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Grand Duchy of Petrobourg

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Not notable per WP:MADEUP. No reliable sources, a search turns up nothing. JohnBlackburne wordsdeeds 16:50, 15 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep. I may say that the Grand Duchy of Petrobourg is indeed a notable Brazilian micronation. It secceeded from the Holy Empire of Reunion almost one year ago and it is recognized not only by most of Brazilian micronations but also by the LoSS (League of Secessionist States), the most important micronational organization. Its founders are experienced micronationalists and the project is a serious one. It is not easy to find references to ANY micronation because those are political simulation; generally, the best references will be autoreferences or references within the micronational world. Mostly of the micronational activity occurs in YahooGroups and the actual press don't cover it. Wikipedia shall be a font of information, not a reference-control-freak. Lets keep things reasonable and use common sense.Giancarlo (talk) 16:56, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Please see WP:RS for what is and isn't a reliable source, and for why they are needed. YahooGroups definitely is not a reliable source, there are none in the article, and you have not identified any.-- JohnBlackburne wordsdeeds 18:35, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Please see Self-published and questionable sources as sources on themselves. I believe it applies to the present matter. Please notice the article is not claiming anything extraordinary, just basic informations about a Brazilian micronation.Giancarlo (talk) 18:56, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Please see the last clause in that section: so long as ... the article is not based primarily on such sources. So it needs other, reliable, sources. Where are they?-- JohnBlackburne wordsdeeds 19:28, 15 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete as not notable. WP is based on reliable sources. You can create your own wiki on wikia--Yopie (talk) 17:44, 15 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Why do you think the sources are not reliable? The micronation's own official website and messages in respectable micronational forums are sources enough for micronational references. Please, this is not like a real country; we will not find the same kind of reference. In the other hand, the lack of traditional press reference is not an argument for the micronation not being notable.Giancarlo (talk) 17:53, 15 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete WP:Hoax. My only concern is that deleting this article may destroy this struggling micronation. As far as I can see this article is one of the key pillars of it's existence. I'd hate to have my delete vote destroy a country. Capitalismojo (talk) 18:21, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
 * You have no point or argument, just a disrespectful opinion.Giancarlo (talk) 19:07, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
 * The point is that there are no refs for the existence of this. It looks like a hoax. I am gathering that you are involved in this entity. Capitalismojo (talk) 19:10, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I see that you are in fact the "Founder" of this micronation. I suspect that may give you a COI in this discussion. Capitalismojo (talk) 19:14, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
 * As foresaid, please see Self-published and questionable sources as sources on themselves. I believe it applies to the present matter. Please notice the article is not claiming anything extraordinary, just basic informations about a Brazilian micronation.Giancarlo (talk) 19:22, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
 * No. You should probably read the link you have added. You need other refs. There are none. See WP:Hoax. Capitalismojo (talk) 19:33, 15 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Against deletion On-line Micronations are what they are and what can be expected from them. Petrobourg is a notable micronation for micronationalists, as much as "hard-paste porcelain"  is unknown by 99.9% of the world, and still has an entry on Wikipedia. --Claudre (talk) 18:38, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Portugal-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 23:26, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 23:26, 15 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete as WP:MADEUP. Of course the lack of sources is an argument for this micronation not being notable, as it always is. Hard-paste porcelain has had a real economic and social effect and that effect has been studied, this micronation has not. Q VVERTYVS (hm?) 23:52, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete Great flag. Lousy coat of arms. Absent RS. No section on sertaneja, so it's a hoax. FeatherPluma (talk) 00:50, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete cute, but absolutely no coverage in reliable secondary sources. Nwlaw63 (talk) 04:11, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.