Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Grand Hyatt Beijing


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. The extensive sourcing provided by Cunard and Prince of Erebor have resulted in a consensus to keep and clearly addressed the concerns of the nominator and two Delete !voters. (non-admin closure) Toadspike   [Talk]  08:12, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Grand Hyatt Beijing

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This article has only 1 source in 18 years of existence. Google News comes up with PR type stories or routine coverage of a staff member doing something. Nothing in-depth and third party to meet GNG. LibStar (talk) 04:55, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Travel and tourism and China. LibStar (talk) 04:55, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete, it fails all notability guidelines. Search result brought nothing. Piscili (talk) 05:53, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
 * , I found some offline sources below. Would you review? Thank you, Cunard (talk) 10:13, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete, notability per nom. I can find endless blogger reviews and PR/press releases, but not a single RS addressing this article's topic! Chiselinccc (talk) 09:27, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
 * , I found some offline sources below. Would you review? Thank you, Cunard (talk) 10:13, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.  The review notes: "北京東方君悅大酒店的英文全名頗長，叫GRAND HYATT BEIJING AT ORIENTAL PLAZA，在二○○一年十月開幕. 位置北京的心臟王府井.  七八棟高層大廈匯集在一起，蔚為奇觀.  飯店是中國最大的商務建築群東方廣場的一部分，旁邊有一棟一棟的高級公寓和辦公大樓.  從這裡走出去就是全北京最熱鬧的王府井大街，再遠一點可以步行到故宮和天安門去.  整間飯店，官方宣傳文字上說像傳統四合院的格局，其實是一個U字形的建築，分成東翼和西翼.  這次陪著金庸先生下榻，他住一六○一房，我住一○一六房，剛好是一頭一尾. "  From Google Translate: "The full English name of Grand Hyatt Beijing is quite long, called GRAND HYATT BEIJING AT ORIENTAL PLAZA. It opened in October 2001.  Location Wangfujing, the heart of Beijing.  Seven or eight high-rise buildings come together to form a spectacle.  The hotel is part of Oriental Plaza, the largest business building complex in China, and is adjacent to high-end apartments and office buildings.  Walking out from here is Wangfujing Street, the busiest street in Beijing. A little further away, you can walk to the Forbidden City and Tiananmen Square.  The entire hotel, according to the official promotional text, is shaped like a traditional courtyard house, but it is actually a U-shaped building, divided into an east wing and a west wing. This time I stayed with Mr. Jin Yong. He lived in room 1601 and I lived in room 1016, which happened to be one end of the room."   The article notes: "北京東方君悅酒店自去年底試行營業以來，至今已屆滿一年，住房率屢創新高，成為北京和中國飯店市場的新話題. 位在北京王府井大街上，現是中國最大的商務建築群猁北京東方廣場內的東方君悅大酒店，是現代西方酒店和超級商場的綜合性產物. " From Google Translate: "It has been one year since the Grand Hyatt Beijing Oriental opened on a trial basis at the end of last year. The occupancy rate has reached record highs and has become a new topic in Beijing and the Chinese hotel market. Located on Wangfujing Street in Beijing, it is now the largest business building complex in China and the Grand Hyatt Hotel in Beijing Oriental Plaza. It is a comprehensive product of modern Western hotels and super shopping malls." The article notes: "走進東方君悅酒店，第一眼的感覺是它不太像凱悅集團酒店的格調，倒有點像香港的海逸酒店，最代表性的該是大廳內獨一無二的那顆水柱型風水球，配合精心的流水設計，創造東方式的流動平衡感. 中國人那種講求「流水聚財」的觀念，在東方君悅表現很明顯. " From Google Translate: "When you walk into the Grand Hyatt Oriental, your first impression is that it doesn’t quite resemble the style of a Hyatt hotel, but rather resembles the Harbor Plaza Hotel in Hong Kong. The most representative one is the unique water column-shaped Feng Shui ball in the lobby. Combined with the careful flowing water design, it creates an oriental flow and balance. The Chinese concept of "gathering wealth by flowing water" is very obvious in Grand Hyatt Oriental."   The review notes: "坐落於中國最大的商務建築群東方廣場之中，呈新月形、門外設有偌大噴泉的北京東方君悅大酒店給人非一般豪華感覺. ... 由在亞洲居住了20 年的美國攝影師George Mitchell 所拍攝的黑白照片與陳設摩登的客房配合起來，不但沒有格格不入的感覺，好像筆者這種對老北京文化還未深切認識，但又充滿好奇的 遊人看起來，反而另有趣味. ... 最喜歡吃的筆者在這數天裡，可謂大快朵頤. 設於飯店大廳中樓層，配備了一個開放式廚房的凱菲廳 (右下圖) 更是筆者的心頭愛. " From Google Translate: "Located in the Oriental Plaza, the largest business building complex in China, the Grand Hyatt Beijing Oriental Hotel, which is crescent-shaped and has a huge fountain outside the door, gives people an extraordinary sense of luxury. ... The black-and-white photos taken by George Mitchell, an American photographer who has lived in Asia for 20 years, match the modernly furnished guest rooms. Not only do they not feel out of place, it seems like the author, who has not yet deeply understood the culture of old Beijing, but is full of curiosity. From the perspective of tourists, it is actually something else interesting. ... The author, who loves to eat the most, had a great time in these few days. Located on the middle floor of the hotel lobby and equipped with an open kitchen, the Kaffi Hall (pictured below right) is my favorite."   The article notes: "北京東方君悅大酒店位於東長安街一號，位處北京中心地區，集時尚商舖與辦公室於一隅，旁邊是著名鋪與辦公室於一隅，旁邊是著名鋪的公屋大王府. 酒店建成後才交由君悅管理，" From Google Translate: "Grand Hyatt Beijing is located at No. 1 East Chang'an Street, in the central area of ​​Beijing. It has fashionable shops and offices in one corner. Next to it are famous shops and offices in the same corner. Next to it is the famous public housing estate Grand Palace. After the hotel was completed, it was handed over to Grand Hyatt for management."   The article notes: "北京東方君悅大酒店自○一年開業以來，先後在多個國內外的酒店評選中奪魁，共獲頒三十項殊榮，踏入○六年僅兩個月，亦已獲頒五項殊榮 ，其中最新獲著名旅遊雜誌「亞洲目的地」(Destin Asian)評選為本年度北京最受歡迎飯店. 至於今年已獲得之獎項分別為：獲「胡潤百富———富豪之選」選為本年度富豪最喜愛的品牌酒店、「私家地理」選為五百家世界最佳酒店、「Conde Nast Traveler」(美國)選為亞洲五十家最佳飯店等. " From Google Translate: "Since its opening in 2001, Grand Hyatt Beijing has won the first place in many domestic and foreign hotel selections, and has been awarded a total of 30 awards. In just two months since 2006, it has also been awarded five awards. , which was recently selected as the most popular hotel in Beijing this year by the famous travel magazine "Destin Asian". As for the awards received this year, they are: selected as this year's favorite brand hotel by the rich by "Hurun Report - Rich People's Choice", selected as one of the 500 best hotels in the world by "Private Geography", "Conde Nast Traveler" "(U.S.A.) was selected as one of Asia's 50 Best Hotels, etc."  Events held at the hotel:<ol> <li> The article notes: "香港特首林鄭月娥率兩百四十人觀禮團抵北京，出席中共建政七十周年活動. 以港府官員、建制派成員、商界為主體的香港代表團，獲安排住東長安街的東方君悅大酒店，酒店保安嚴密. " From Google Translate: "Hong Kong Chief Executive Carrie Lam Cheng Yuet-ngor led a viewing group of 240 people to Beijing to attend the 70th anniversary of the founding of the Communist Party of China. The Hong Kong delegation, which is composed of Hong Kong government officials, members of the pro-establishment camp, and the business community, was arranged to stay at the Grand Hyatt Hotel on East Chang'an Street. The hotel has tight security." </li> <li> The article notes: "在北京東方君悅大酒店舉辦簽書會上，小布為他親自撰寫的圖書「科比24」召開媒體見面會暨新書簽售活動. " From Google Translate: "Lakers star Kobe Bryant embarked on a business trip to China on the 26th. In the evening, he held a book signing event at the Grand Hyatt Hotel in Beijing. Bryant held a media meeting for his personally written book "Kobe Bryant 24". and book signing event." </li> <li></li> The article notes: "今晚的北京東方君悅大酒店「高人林立」，中國男、女籃球隊教練員、隊員悉數現身出席姚明、葉莉的宴會. 王治郅、易建聯、隋菲菲等人組成的「巨人陣」外加「中國高度」姚明，今晚的宴會有望成為中國歷史上平均海拔最高的「私人聚會」. " From Google Translate: "Tonight, Beijing's Grand Hyatt Oriental Hotel is "full of distinguished people". The coaches and players of the Chinese men's and women's basketball teams all showed up to attend Yao Ming and Ye Li's banquet. The "Giant Formation" composed of Wang Zhizhi, Yi Jianlian, Sui Feifei and others plus "Chinese Height" Yao Ming, tonight's banquet is expected to become the "private party" with the highest average altitude in Chinese history." </li> </ol></li> <li>Less significant coverage:<ol> <li> The review notes: "The wow factor at this top-notch hotel—close to Tiananmen Square and the Forbidden City—comes from its huge glass facade and extraordinary lagoon-like swimming area: above its lush vegetation, waterfalls, and statues, a "virtual sky" ceiling imitates different weather patterns. " </li> <li> The review notes: "From the lobby, the Grand Hyatt Beijing is another grand hotel with soaring ceilings and windows, polished marble floors, and an attentive staff. Two levels below the lobby, however, is one of the most unique and spectacular wonders ever seen in a hotel: an enormous grotto!" </li> <li> The article notes: "Hyatt International Corp., which runs six hotels in China, is opening its first one in Beijing, complete with parking for 12,000 bicycles. About 200 of the 591 rooms at the Grand Hyatt Beijing have been opened; the rest are to open by April." </li> </ol> </ol>There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Grand Hyatt Beijing to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 10:13, 28 May 2024 (UTC) </li></ul> Relisting comment: It was probably open to me to close this as no consensus or keep considering Cunard's sourcing (and subsequent pings to those who !voted delete). However, to produce a firmer consensus and allow for a re-evaluation of their position for the nominator and two delete !voters, as well as potential outside input also, relisting for another seven days. Without foreshadowing the future, this will be unlikely to need another 7 beyond this, and may even be able to be closed prior to this extra 7 if consensus becomes clearer. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 06:33, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep: A very thorough search of sources by Cunard (again). Aside from the offline sources listed, I have also found a lot more Chinese sources on the internet, which includes but is not limited to a Wen Wei Po article that mentioned the subject hotel winning multiple awards in 2006, articles from Elle China and Phoenix Television introducing the application of new technologies at the hotel during the pandemic and in 2014 respectively, articles from China Daily and Sina introducing the hotel (these two may seem a bit like advertorial but definitely provided SIGCOV), articles from China Daily and China Hospitality News documenting the appointment of senior staff at the hotel, an article from Sina reporting on the tenth anniversary of the hotel, etc. I believe these have demonstrated notability far beyond GNG and NCORP. Please take a look at the newly located sources from Cunard and myself, thanks! — Prince of Erebor  （ The Book of Mazarbul ）  18:55, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Also ping LibStar as per AfD relist comments. Daniel (talk) 06:34, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep per Cunard's comments └ UkPaolo/talk┐ 18:32, 6 June 2024 (UTC)


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