Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Grand Lodge of Armenia


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The result was   Keep. Stifle (talk) 12:51, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Grand Lodge of Armenia

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Does not meet notability criteria outlined at WP:ORG. The article contains no sources that are independant of the subject. A search on Google, and at Google books indicates that there are likely to be no additional sources. While the subject's name indicates a claim to being an organization that is "national in scope", a look at the Grand Lodge's web page indicates that it actually consists of only 4 suborbordinate lodges, all of which could be in the same city (and given the average size of a Masonic Lodge, this would also mean that the organization has perhaps 200 members at most). When compared to other, significantly larger Masonic bodies this one is simply not notable. Blueboar (talk) 14:37, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. Inherently notable subject, if not as an organisation. Ottre (talk) 02:16, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Please explain what makes this subject "inherently notable". Blueboar (talk) 12:40, 25 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete - Too new (<6 years of existence) to have historical sources to draw on, and existence does not equal notability. There's no such thing as "inherent notability"; if there was, WP:N wouldn't have to exist. MSJapan (talk) 03:57, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Whether or not this has inherent notability, there is such a thing as inherent notability. A member of a national legislature for example.  I think "Grand Lodge" asserts notability (which is not the same as having it), but that's another argument. JASpencer (talk) 08:03, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep and Rename to something like Freemasonry in Armenia or Freemasonry in the Caucasus. JASpencer (talk) 08:03, 30 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Armenia-related deletion discussions.   —JASpencer (talk) 20:42, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions.   —JASpencer (talk) 20:42, 31 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep and Rename per JASpencer. VartanM (talk) 08:06, 1 September 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.