Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Grand Muftiship of Sheikh Abubakr Ahmad


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Few arguments have been made as to why this article needs to be deleted, with this primarily appearing as a content dispute regarding a split or fork from Kanthapuram A. P. Aboobacker Musliyar. It appears to contain different information than the main article, making the repeatedly suggested "delete after merging" very dubious from an attribution perspective as per WP:MAD. There's not a strong consensus about the best way to portray this information across these articles, but there's a significant consensus that the content should be preserved in some form, and minimal actual argument as to why having a separate article in this style is an actual issue. ~ mazca  talk 01:41, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

Grand Muftiship of Sheikh Abubakr Ahmad

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Same article already exists Kanthapuram A. P. Aboobacker Musliyar Padavalam Kuttan Pilla   Talk  00:15, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Islam-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 00:24, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 00:24, 8 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep The article is not the same as the Grand Mufti section of Kanthapuram A. P. Aboobacker Musliyar. It expands on the information that is there.  IF the information in that section is determined to be enough to cover the Grand Muftiship then this should be redirected to Kanthapuram A. P. Aboobacker Musliyar, in either case it should not be deleted.  ~ GB fan 00:38, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. North America1000 11:32, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Merge to Kanthapuram A. P. Aboobacker Musliyar selectively. I would say that the individual's position as "Grand Mufti" is not universally accepted among Indian muslims. It is better to state such information on a single bio article. The current content of the article anyway is a detailed list of trips, talk and receptions which I don't think needs to be covered in such minute detail.--DreamLinker (talk) 02:38, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Nosebagbear (talk) 14:01, 15 January 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete after merging anything useful into Kanthapuram A. P. Aboobacker Musliyar. This article is an unnecessary content fork of that one. No need for a redirect as the article title isn't a likely search term (there's already a redirect on the much more plausible Sheikh Abubakr Ahmad) Neiltonks (talk) 16:52, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Strongly Keep The article is not the same as the Grand Mufti section of the article, Kanthapuram A. P. Aboobacker Musliyar. I think the article is Eligible to keep. Meets WP:GNG Authordom (talk) 08:27, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete and Salt The Muftiship and Grand Muftiship of the person is a fake. Please check the article, Grand Mufti of India. The Hindu Nation (talk) 10:42, 17 January 2020 (UTC) User blocked as a sock puppet. ~ GB fan 11:43, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect to the person's article. It's just a timeline right now (and not a very good one), the relevant details can be copied over as prose.  Ravensfire  (talk) 16:39, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   16:39, 22 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep: This is a timeline of the current Grand Mufti of India on highlights of the major events that took place under his grand muftiship. This article is notable, seems to pass the notability guidelines pretty easily, with numerous multiple reliable sources with significant coverage of the subject and is not eligible to delete or merge with another article. Sabith1990 (talk) 03:56, 23 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep: I think this nomination is part of a series of bad faith works by a group of socks targeting notable articles of Islam in India like: I, II and III, and supporting some non notable articles like: I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII and VIII. This is not a good faith nomination. The article is a notable timeline of the major activities of the current Grand Mufti of India and the article is meets the GNG, significant coverage in independent and reliable sources, as demonstrated by cites in the article. I don't think the article is eligible for merging and there is no reason to delete it. &#91;&#91;User:Akbarali&#124;Akbarali&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;User talk:Akbarali&#124;talk&#93;&#93;) (talk) 05:14, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment: Dear Please don't say unnecessary things. why are you saying this is targeting a religion? I have no doubt about his notability, especially after doing due diligence at reviewing sources but there is no need for multiple articles:  Kanthapuram A. P. Aboobacker Musliyar and Grand Mufti of India that contain the same content. --  Padavalam Kuttan Pilla   Talk  07:07, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
 * The article does not contain the same content as Grand Mufti of India and Kanthapuram A. P. Aboobacker Musliyar articles. Authordom (talk) 07:35, 23 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep: This is surely the timeline of Grand Mufti of India highlighting the important events occurring in his tenure . This article is undoubtfully notable, seems to pass the notability guidelines pretty easily, with numerous multiple reliable sources with significant coverage of the subject and is not acceptable to remove or merge with another one. I strongly support that this page should be maintained as the article. Luqmankvk (talk) 05:18, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep no sufficient argument has been made for deletion, OP appears confused about why they are even nominating the page for deletion. It appears people are trying to use AfD to play domestic politics which just isn't kosher. Horse Eye Jack (talk) 21:15, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Nominator says "Same article already exists" which logically means WP:CONTENTFORK, like Neiltonks mentioned above. —usernamekiran (talk) 22:26, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
 * You and I have different conceptions of logic then, the articles certainly don't contain the same content. I don't think this an unnecessary WP:CONTENTFORK either. Horse Eye Jack (talk) 22:32, 27 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Kindly see lead of this article, and Kanthapuram A. P. Aboobacker Musliyar. —usernamekiran (talk) 23:32, 27 January 2020 (UTC)


 * delete after merging anything useful into Kanthapuram A. P. Aboobacker Musliyar, like Neiltonks said above. Everything from this article can be explained in the target article adequetely, and appropriately. Most of the entries are single sentence statements which provide no conext at all. eg: April 6 – Trip to Singapore., same goes for Malaysia (twice), April 19 – Received a Mega reception in Abu Dhabi., and Oman (1 May), 26 May - Received a reception in Bangalore, "Mega" reception in Kuwait, Oman, Abu Dhabi, and few others; and April 22 – Grand Mufti condemned on the 2019 Sri Lanka Easter bombings. The entire lead of the article is already covered in the target article. Rest of the article is coverage of his receptions, statements, and very few notable/important stuff. All of that can be easily covered in the target article.After the lead, there is only one section: "Timeline". The intro for that section is highlights of the major events that took place under his muftiship. But there are like only two (or maybe three) "major events that took under under his muftiship" including his initiation. Rest of the events are like day-to-day activites, dinners, or meetings. Nothing major.The important content should be merged with target article. If the target article becomes very big with time, then it should be WP:SPLIT. Till then there is no need to have this extra article. And like Neiltonks said: no need for a redirect as the article title isn't a likely search term (there's already a redirect on the much more plausible Sheikh Abubakr Ahmad). —usernamekiran (talk) 23:08, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
 * update (I thought I had already included in my rationale above): Kanthapuram A. P. Aboobacker Musliyar was sworn in as mufti on 24 February 2019. Currently, a very big chunk of his biographical article contains his statements/activities after him becoming the mufti. If that content is moved to this article, then the BLP article will become very short; if not moved then this article will become redundant content fork. In either scenario, this article is unnecessary, as the content can be covered in target article very adequately/comfortably. —usernamekiran (talk) 23:31, 27 January 2020 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.