Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Grand Prix Racing Online


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Delete Enter CambridgeBayWeather, waits for audience applause, not a sausage 01:08, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Grand Prix Racing Online

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Not a really notable MMO website. Certainly not as notable as Hattrick. Has about 13000 active users compared to 1 Million for Hattrick. Comparing it with other MMO sites as well where there has been news and scholarly articles written about them. WriterListener 20:54, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game related deletion discussions. MrKIA11 (talk) 21:08, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete: I can't find significant coverage for this website. Joe Chill (talk) 22:56, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete: Major concerns regarding edits of talk page regarding this site being a copy of another and being operated by banned users of the first version. All edits with related information were quickly undone. I'm unable to find any resources or anything but most generic information or forum postings on Google. It seems the only reason this article might have survived this long because a speedy delete tag was deleted about a year ago without any given reason; I know they can be objected to by any editor, but preferably with use of {{hangon and under promised good faith they would improve the article... which the removing editor did not do here. Also seems the CSD was put on the talk page by mistake which is another reason it likely survived. I see it also went through an orphan tag but only superficial links were added. There are many issues here in general, as it still lacks any outside references or third party citations or signs of notability even if all of those coincidences and possible mistakes are overlooked. WP:DIRECTORY or WP:WEB as suggested by Joe Chill seem to fit, as this appears to be little more than a listing of a fan-based sports site without external recognition. Datheisen (talk) 11:16, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Note to the closing admin. Can AFD's be started for the other languages wikipedia articles if this is closed--WriterListener 23:27, 23 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Speedy Keep: This game is quite noteable as an online racing management game. Also this page has Spanish and Finnish versions, which shows its importance. You cannot compare everything with Hattrick. 222.45.41.165 (talk) 03:03, 24 October 2009 (UTC) — 222.45.41.165 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. {{ #if: | The preceding unsigned comment was added at {{{2}}} (UTC).}}
 * See WP:HORSE... saying something by itself means nothing on Wikipedia, and perhaps stop by WP:LIKE which specifically singles out statements like this as arguments to avoid in a deletion discussion. If you have an opinion, back it up. Datheisen (talk) 14:04, 24 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Speedy Keep: It really has about 13000 active users. But total number of users is more than 100 000. If this is not enough than delete it. On the other hand why would you delete any page? I think the more pages listed in wiki the better. Since when do you have this policy about popularity of pages?

Why Delete GPRO???? It deserves its spot on Wikipedia!!!! Wikipedia is here to promote things, and share stuff with people right?

Well leave GPRO here, its not hurting anyone now is it!

And how the hell can you compare GPRO to hat trick? or what eva its called.... hattrick is nothing at all like GPRO... Please do not compare to sites what are totaly difrent!!!

And how can you compare a game created 10 years before GPRO? GPRO is 10 years younger then friggen hattrick, so it has atleast 7 more years to catch up!

What does football managment have to do with Formula 1 managment? its pointless this thread

Peterjr-07 (talk) 09:22, 24 October 2009 (UTC) — Peterjr-07 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. {{ #if: | The preceding unsigned comment was added at {{{2}}} (UTC).}}

Joe ChillI can't find significant coverage for this  Well thats aload of Bull Crap right there Mr Joe Chit, i mean chill It is has mager advertising on Facebook as well as sevrall other sites It cames up on top of the second page on good when type "Formula 1 managment games" Peterjr-07 (talk) 09:22, 24 October 2009 (UTC) As said this is a ton of bull crap and should be kept. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Harryrigg (talk • contribs) 09:42, 24 October 2009 (UTC) And Hattrick you are probably one of the designers. I could easily come and compare GPRO to Hattrick and get Hattrick deleted. But I wont as I have never been arsed to go on to Hattrick!Harryrigg (talk) 09:54, 24 October 2009 (UTC) — Harryrigg (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Speedy Keep: GPRO is the standout online motor racing management game, and with its strong following and community, is a significant contributor to Internet culture. The attemp to delete it is pure malicious intent from a competitor. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DarylGee (talk • contribs) 09:36, 24 October 2009 (UTC)  — DarylGee (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Speedy Keep: GPRO is the best racing management online game. It may not have as much followers as a football game (any football game) but is indeed a great simulation game and has it's own community with people from all over the world which is great. The game has been growing a lot in the past few years and will continue to, thanks to an interested, professional and very competent development team that every time is improving the game with new features and challenges. And it has also a great consideration from user suggestions which shows that this is a community project, rather than a game that a couple of friends play at home. But every game has it's growing speed and it cannot be expected to have hundreds of thousands of users overnight, neither any game had that. Gpro just recently doubled it's number of users and can be expected to continue a healthy growth curve. It surely is the best racing management game and a reference for all racing management enthusiasts, it is truly a worldwide game and not just a local effort, so it should be kept. As a information aggregator, wikipedia should not even consider the deletion of these pages, because in fact pages like these provide public service and help wilipedia become what it is, the largest information source over the internet. fleitao — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.181.53.214 (talk • contribs) — 89.181.53.214 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. {{ #if:  | The preceding unsigned comment was added at {{{2}}} (UTC).}}

Comparing a Football game with a racing online game is silly to me.Maybe we don't have so many managers as "Hattrik" does but at least we have a great community.I can easily say one of the best for Online Games.We all know Football is a game loved by everyone but so is Gpro for some. And is this thread harming anyone??NO Gpro is the best game ever online for me.Save Gpro (Samoeni Albanalopolis) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.123.71.243 (talk) 11:43, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

{{aiv|note}} I have semi-protected this debate due to strong evidence of off-site canvassing. ~ mazca  {{sup|talk}} 12:50, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - no reliable sources. Speedy keeps are being solicited off-site here --Cameron Scott (talk) 12:02, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Busted. Joe Chill (talk) 12:19, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Odd how they picked on you in particular, and not the nominator. Marasmusine (talk) 00:03, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
 * It seems like a lot of people love to attack me. Joe Chill (talk) 00:23, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment The fastest way to actually get an article deleted is to spend your time attacking the nominator and/or other !voters. This AfD is not a vote - it will be the strength of your arguments that determines whether it gets deleted. "You are a disgrace" is not an argument. "You are a competitor" is not an argument. "You are a worthless piece of trash" is not an argument. If you want the article kept, make it meet notability guidelines, and none of you are doing so. Wikipedia is not intended to be a location to promote anything, it's an information source about notable things. Editors who are being solicited and attacking others are playing into the hands of those who have !voted for deletion. ( talk→  BWilkins   ←track ) 12:22, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

I have to inform you that this article has existed for more than two years so it is not suitable to delete it. Alonso McLaren (talk) 13:02, 24 October 2009 (UTC)


 * huh? --Cameron Scott (talk) 13:03, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
 * There is absolutely nothing in any of the types of deletion that states the age of an article keeps it immune from deletion. If anything, it's a call to people trying to show oversight to step it up a little so that 2 years later someone else doesn't have to fix what we miss now! Datheisen (talk) 14:04, 24 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete - The number of active users, the quality of the game, and what languages it is available in are irrelevant to this discussion. If no reliable publications have ever printed any information about GPRO, then there is nothing about this game that can be included in this encyclopedia. Marasmusine (talk) 14:16, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Keep- This is a very good online game and being on wikipedia informs other online game players of it's strengths and uses. It i suseful to have on here so people can also use it as guidelines on how to play. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jackbraz (talk • contribs) 16:36, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
 * See WP:NOTGUIDE. -- Neil N   talk  ♦  contribs  20:07, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Being an admin of GPRO, I want to apologize for our very addicted and therefore very dedicated users :) The admins are aware that there is a big lack of articles about GPRO as well as missing awards. The only real and independent article I could find and I cant link to it cos of the anti-spam filter of wikipedia - but I think that is still far to less, right? We will be working in winning an award sooner or later. Therefore we saved the current wiki-article and when we finally got an award or something else, I hope its no problem to put the article up again :) Hmmpft (talk) 20:44, 25 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete - there is no coverage in reliable sources to establish notability. The number of users, and quality of the game are irrelevant. -- Whpq (talk) 21:16, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete No reliable sources establishing WP:WEB notability. OhNo itsJamie {{sup|Talk}} 15:38, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment: - The article states that the site has 100,000 users. This alone (if it could be referenced by an independent, reliable source) could go a long way to establishing notability.  Can any of the major contributors to the article produce a qualified source to confirm this information is true? Snottywong (talk) 21:11, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * How does having a big number of users establish notability? -- Whpq (talk) 21:27, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.