Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Grand Theft Auto 4

 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was ambiguous.

The strict vote count was inconclusive with a clear majority voting to delete (made stronger after the discounting of several anonymous and very new users) but not the overwhelming concensus usually required. After careful review of the comments, evidence presented and the referenced websites however, I have to conclude that both the title and contents of the article are currently unverified. Speculation and rumor are explicitly not allowed in our encyclopedia articles (unless it is an article about an especially egregious and noteworthy article) and "placeholder" articles are typically justified in only the rarest of circumstances. In accordance with Wikipedia policy, I am going to exercise my discretion to delete this article. This deletion should not be considered as precedent if the article is re-created after it has been released (when we can be sure of having verifiable information and assuming that the game is, in fact, released under this name). Rossami (talk) 9 July 2005 04:58 (UTC)

Grand Theft Auto 4
Firstly this game doesn't exist yet, secondly it hasn't been announced yet, thirdly there are no hard facts in the article just internet fanboy speculation. When it's announced by Rockstar, then it can have an article Alexp73 28 June 2005 21:19 (UTC)

No, the game doesn't exist yet, and no there's no hard facts, but the game has been referred to numerous times by those at the head of Rockstar. I don't think that it should be deleted, but at the very least, GTA4 should not refer to Vice City. One thing that is certain is that Vice City and San Andreas are part of the "GTAIII Trilogy", so perhaps this emphasis should be put in their respective articles. --Zeromaru 28 June 2005 21:27 (UTC) EDIT: For those unaware, GTA4 previously referred to Vice City. Therefore, at this moment, the best to do would be redirect. Patrick1982 29 June 2005 12:27 (UTC) keep it and well continue to update it as time passes--Kit fisto 5 July 2005 01:35 (UTC)
 * Delete We know it will be released, but the information listed may not be true.
 * Delete or possibly redirect to Grand Theft Auto: Vice City, which is probably what anyone typing this in is really looking for. Andrew Lenahan - St ar bli nd June 28, 2005 23:13 (UTC)
 * Redirect per Starblind for now, until the actual game is out, in which case it will then deserve its own article. Just wondering... why is all of this citycruft in here, anyway?  --Idont Havaname 28 June 2005 23:48 (UTC)
 * Changing my vote. Redirect to Grand Theft Auto series, per the voters below.  That makes more sense, given the further explanation. --Idont Havaname 29 June 2005 19:40 (UTC)
 * 'Redirect &mdash; Chameleon 28 June 2005 23:51 (UTC)
 * Keep (conditional) I have no problem with the existence of this page, on the condition that it has actually been confirmed that Rockstar will be making a GTA4. I do agree, however, that the speculation should be removed. Let the page be a stub if need be, but only keep the basic facts that we know on the page, e.g. "GTA4 will be the next game in Rockstar Games' Grand Theft Auto franchise, it will be released on the PlayStation 3." --Jacj 29 June 2005 01:11 (UTC)
 * Delete. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. At least wait for the game to be announced before creating a stub for it. If speculation is all you've got, it doesn't belong in an encyclopedia. A &#1080; D &#1103; 01D  TALK  EMAIL  June 29, 2005 02:19 (UTC)
 * Delete. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Kaibabsquirrel 29 June 2005 02:51 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Grand Theft Auto series. -Sean Curtin June 29, 2005 05:42 (UTC)
 * Delete speculation, wikipedia is not a crystal ball. JamesBurns 29 June 2005 05:53 (UTC)
 * Redirect the next GTA title has NOT yet been confirmed, see Here. However, it is unlikely that this series will not be continued, since they're real bestsellers on all platforms.
 * Delete Not Noteworthy DiceDiceBaby 29 June 2005 23:20 (UTC)
 * The best thing to do is summarize the information into a few sentances, put that onto the Grand Theft Auto (series) page, and have all requests for GTA4 (and similar pages) redirect to there. Having GTA4 redirect to Vice City is a bad idea, as GTA4 is definately not Vice City. --Zeromaru 29 June 2005 18:39 (UTC)
 * Delete and redirect per above. &mdash; Phil Welch 1 July 2005 00:31 (UTC)
 * Delete and redirect to Grand Theft Auto series Thunderbrand July 2, 2005 04:44 (UTC)
 * Keep and call it a speculation page. This should be the place, where users enter any info avalable - whether confirmed or rumoured about.
 * Keep - agree with all keep comments above — Cuahl 2 July 2005 18:12 (UTC)
 * Delete - this is pure speculation. Until it's announced, it shouldn't happen. = Lordwow July 2, 2005 18:14 (UTC)
 * Redirect' to the series. 140.142.175.173 3 July 2005 22:25 (UTC)
 * Keep nothing wrong with a placeholder - No one is going to accidently stumble here. People who visit this page know its speculation. People who wouldn't know the difference wouldn't find their way here to begin with. Also keep hard facts on article page and speculation on discussion page. simple.--Muchosucko 1 July 2005 06:04 (UTC)
 * Edit: Tag it with the {future} tag, then confer the wiki page for the 2018 Olympics. Perhaps we should vote for deletion of that page since it is speculation; it is 8 years in the future; it does not exist; and there is no guarantee that it will exist. Then, confer all the pages that use the {future} tag. Perhaps we should vote for deletion of all those pages too? Guys, there are some things you can safely insert as place holder. It helps build the community of information on wikipedia. If there was no page, then people who may have useful information will be turned away. That's the last thing a small growing project like Wikipedia needs. There's a reason the {future} tag was invented. If Wiki didn't want speculation, the {future} tag would be a deletion device. It is not.--Muchosucko 4 July 2005 12:35 (UTC)
 * I completely agree with Muchosucko. The only reason people will see this article is to find out information about this game. — Cuahl 4 July 2005 12:54 (UTC)
 * Edit - I stand corrected. Someone is voting for deletions of all {future} tags. Confer 2020 Vote for deletion of 2020 Olympics and theoffical policy here. I encourage everyone who voted delete, and all former elementary school hall monitors, to go find all {future} tags here and tag them bitches with VFD to death.--Muchosucko 4 July 2005 13:16 (UTC)
 * Keep Carolaman 5 July 2005 23:49 (UTC)
 * Keep What is this? The game it's in production, the internal name is Grand Theft Auto 4 and again, will be one of most sales game of all time in the next generation. I really can't understand certain vfd nominations, this is the more nonsensus what I saw. --Mateusc 6 July 2005 12:49 (UTC)

It will be GTA4 as GTA:Vice was part of the GTA3 Saga The GTA saga goes like this:
 * Keep Its a hard fact that this game WILL be realised for Playstation 3 either next year for the year after! I Agree that at the moment the information on this page may not be true. So we should really call this page a speculation page for now. But I don’t think that it should be deleted. Plus

Thanks Agent003
 * Grand Theft Auto
 * Grand Theft Auto: London, 1969
 * Grand Theft Auto 2
 * Grand Theft Auto 3
 * Grand Theft Auto: Vice City
 * Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
 * Grand Theft Auto 4


 * Keep I'm pretty sure it's been announced.Heraclius 6 July 2005 21:09 (UTC)
 * If you've got a link that can verify that statement, I might change my vote. A &#1080; D &#1103; 01D  TALK  EMAIL  July 6, 2005 21:25 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. A &#1080; D &#1103; 01D  TALK  EMAIL  July 6, 2005 21:25 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.