Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Grant Township, Guthrie County, Iowa


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 14:21, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Grant Township, Guthrie County, Iowa

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Notability doubtful. Aalaa324 (talk) 20:04, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 20:08, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Iowa-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 20:08, 3 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep - I believe townships meet WP:GEOLAND, as they are formal and legally recognized functioning government districts. Hog Farm Talk 20:16, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
 * The article gives no information about the township other than its existence. Aalaa324 (talk) 20:30, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
 * WP:NEXIST. We don't judge an article simply by its existing content state. Hog Farm Talk 20:36, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Where are the suitable sources? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aalaa324 (talk • contribs) 20:38, 3 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep: a legally recognized government district with an official census count of 188. Meets WP:GEOLAND: "Populated, legally recognized places are typically presumed to be notable, even if their population is very low." Firsfron of Ronchester 21:39, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. As noted by Hog Farm, WP:GEOLAND provides a presumption of notability for populated, legally recognized places. Yes, WP:NGEO allows for overriding the presumption, but given even a small amount of coverage (as here), I doubt that will happen. --Larry/Traveling_Man (talk) 22:19, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep This is a legally recognized subdivision. Waddles 🗩 🖉* 23:28, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Weak redirect to Guthrie County, Iowa Notability doesn't necessarily mean we need a dedicated page, and a list of townships in the County article might be more useful than a stub as it would put the subject in context per WP:PAGEDECIDE. I know I'm in the minority here and I'm not strongly opposed to keeping this one. –dlthewave ☎ 12:14, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect to the next larger entity. This is a standard survey township, which is a square of land that you could easily walk the perimeter of in one day (6 mi/10 km per side).  Back in the 19th-century horse-farming era, you would have expected it to contain somewhere between 50 and 200 small farms, and to organize a few activities benefiting the neighborhood, such as a Volunteer fire department and possibly a school.  I suspect it is of relatively little importance in the real world, which means that there are very few sources that speak of it beyond a passing mention as an address (e.g., "Abram Adams of Grant Township died last Sunday").  You can see a map of it at https://digital.lib.uiowa.edu/islandora/object/ui%3Ahixson_681  The main fact that makes me consider keeping it as a separate article at this time is the List of Iowa townships.  IMO these townships should be treated the same.  Whatever we do for one, we should do for (nearly) all of them.  (Fun fact:  There are 33 townships named Grant in Iowa.)  WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:06, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Not sure about in Iowa, but in some states, townships do have some governmental responsibility over some local rural roads. Hog Farm Talk 23:58, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
 * For the record, the townships in Iowa are civil townships, not the original survey townships (which they are based upon). If you look at this early plat map of Guthrie County, you can see Grant Township closely follows the survey lines, but other civil townships in the county do not. Voting in rural Iowa is split out by the township (meaning elections outside official cities are run by townships), and histories of each county are normally done that way, as well; for example, here is Grant Township's entry in The Past and Present of Guthrie County, Iowa (1907). Firsfron of Ronchester  15:15, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Legally recognized township, easily meets GEOLAND. ~ EDDY  ( talk / contribs )~ 22:13, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep: first of all, this is a legally recognized township, and second of all, a few seconds of searching revealed 219 Matches · "grant township" in Guthrie County, Iowa. I've added a few sources from here to the article (as formatted cites). jp×g 00:19, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep: Per WP:GEOLAND.  Java Hurricane  02:51, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep, as it is a legally recognized populated place.Jackattack1597 (talk) 11:43, 10 October 2021 (UTC)


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