Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Grave Digger (band)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   speedy keep. Prolog (talk) 22:08, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Grave Digger (band)

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This article does not prove its notoriety per WP:BAND. Its author and editors have had approximately 6 weeks to respond to the tag with no response. Ol Yeller Talktome 11:39, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep per point #5 of WP:BAND several albums on labels such as Music For Nations, Noise Records and Nuclear Blast. Manni Schmidt was in Rage (point #6). AfD is not cleanup for unref'd articles.  Lugnuts  (talk) 18:14, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Point #5 would work if the record labels were notable (which they are not). Point #6 would also work but the band Rage and Manni Schmidt, are also not notable for the same reason.  If you look at it in the sense of precedence, anyone could create band, have 3 friends who start "record labels" then become notable by releasing numerous albums.  Even the Rage article says that their 13th album finally "saw the light of day."  This isn't an attempt to clean up unreferenced articles as it was marked as having no reliable references in my nomination.  At some point, if no one can cite any reliable sources, the article has to be deleted.  Ol Yeller  Talktome 18:35, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Rage are also easily notable; please re-read WP:MUSIC. Having three friends "start record labels"? I seriously suggest you check out just how big Nuclear Blast and SPV_GmbH are before you bring more stuff like this to AfD. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 21:03, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.   -- &mdash; LinguistAtLarge • Talk  18:35, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep Multiple albums on the highly notable Nuclear Blast label (irrespective of what the commenter above appears to be saying). Surprising that this has even been brought here. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 20:48, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm of the opinion that none of those labels are notable but that's just my opinion in this discussion of opinions. All of the mentioned labels' pages either have no references at all or are referencing their own websites (Facebook, Myspace, etc.).  Of the bands I checked out that are listed under those labels, none of them are notable either and either have no references or are referencing their own websites again.  If I had the desire, I'd start a discussion regarding the notability of all of the labels, their bands, and their albums.  I haven't seen a single source that's reliable under WP:RS.  As you obviously know more about those labels than me, please add references on their respective pages.  The tag on the top of the page was notifying the article's author and editors that it had no notable sources and needed them added or it could be up for deletion.  At some point, that deletion has to come if citations are not added.  In the future, please understand that my actions are in good faith as I assume yours are too.  Ol Yeller  Talktome 21:19, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment AfD is not about discussing your opinions. Nor is AfD WP:CLEANUP. That you do not regard, say, Music for Nations as notable (we have a notability guideline, not a notoriety one) is frankly surreal, given they have released records by Metallica, Slayer and Frank Zappa. Similarly, Nuclear Blast have released records by Manowar, Immortal, Dimmu Borgir and Children of Bodom. This is a far cry from someone's mate setting up a bedroom record label to put out a band's records, which is precisely what you were suggesting above. There is not a snowball's chance in Hell that this page, or any like it are going to get deleted on the basis of the rationale presented above. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 21:26, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment And yes, of course I am assuming good faith. I just feel that you have misunderstood the notability criteria. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 21:29, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep Nine of their albums have charted in Germany, which is one of the world's biggest national record markets. Yes, the lack of 3rd party sources is a problem many music-related articles do suffer from, but picking one random band and start an AfD discussion isn't an appropriate way to solve that. --Axolotl Nr.733 (talk) 22:01, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep--Nuclear Blast is eminently notable; did I count 4 albums on that label? Drmies (talk) 22:35, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Easily passes WP:Music notability guidlines.--E tac (talk) 06:50, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep. They're with a notable label and released on less than 9 charting albums. It meets the criteria at WP:MUSIC and the sources have been provided to prove it. (@nom: It's not uncommon for people to not respond to maintenance banners. You'd have to notice they're there to begin with. Nominating for deletion should be done with some research beforehand. A lack of sources isn't a good reason for deletion; an inability to find any is. A simple bit of Googling could've shown you what others had to find now.) -- Mgm|(talk) 09:39, 20 February 2009 (UTC)


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