Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Grazioso da Padova


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   speedy keep. Nominator has withdrawn and no outstanding !votes for deletion. (non-admin closure) Armbrust, B.Ed. Let's talk about my edits? 00:30, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Grazioso da Padova

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Delete. Unsourced, lacking claims of significance or importance. Notability not established in accordance with topical notability guidelines for composers or general notability guidelines, which require significant coverage in reliable, secondary sources. Best regards,  Cind.   amuse  (Cindy) 18:19, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep Our guidelines are not well equipped to deal with a case like this. Little is known about this composer but he's mentioned in countless reference books about Medieval music. At the very least, he deserves a redirect to some appropriate target. Pichpich (talk) 18:38, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. I've declined the A7 speedy on this article on the grounds that, given that the man lived in the Middle Ages, the very fact his name made it to our era suggests some importance, even if it's not explicitly stated. We only need to make sure that it's not a hoax, and Pichpich's comment suggests it's not. It's just a matter of inserting appropriate references, that's all. --  Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 18:53, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep per Pichpich and Blanchardb. There are enough sources online to verify that this composer existed and some of his music survives. We probably need someone with access to printed sources to expand the article. --Deskford (talk) 19:15, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. Discussed in "Some evidence for French influence in northern Italy c. 1400" (Studies in the performance of late medieval music), apparently has an entry in New Grove but I can't access that, dozens of brief mentions (couple of sentences or a paragraph) in other sources, and other things I can't access and so don't know how lengthy the discussion is. I agree with Blanchardb that medieval composers and so on get a notability boost just from not having faded into oblivion; this also helps us correct WP:RECENTISM. Also try searching on "Gratiosus de Padua." –Roscelese (talk &sdot; contribs) 21:00, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
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 * Keep per Pichpich and Blanchardb. -- Joaquin008  ( talk ) 17:37, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. I've added to the article a reference to Grove, which is the gold standard amongst music encyclopedias (at least in English), so an entry there is proof that the topic is encyclopedic. That source itself lists seven further scholarly sources. Phil Bridger (talk) 23:37, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep, of course. I just added a bit more using the New Grove as a source.  Don't have JSTOR at the moment but there's plenty more there if anyone is ambitious. Antandrus  (talk) 02:21, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Withdrawn. My apologies for not watching this discussion closer. Clearly this should be withdrawn and speedy closed. Thanks to those that worked to address issues. I appreciate the indulgence of my ineptitude on this one. ;) Best regards,  Cind.   amuse  (Cindy) 15:06, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.