Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Great Parks Bicycle Route


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Withdrawn/Keep, whatever.. Withdrawn/Keep, whatever. The copyvio has been addressed and while I'm still not convinced it's notable but at the least, this will close as no consensus so there's no point to prolonging this. StarM 01:22, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Great Parks Bicycle Route

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While this is a long and detailed article about a bike route, I find no evidence this route is at all notable. It's a great travel guide for those seeking to use the route, but that's not what Wikipedia is. StarM 03:22, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions.  --  StarM  03:23, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
 * If our licenses are finally compatible, we could transwiki to WikiTravel. - Mgm|(talk) 12:33, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Copyvio thanks to Mgml's detective work on a related AfD, I found the source, but since it's not exactly verbatim, I'm not nuking it. Someone else can decide. StarM  15:23, 15 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Notability - I believe this bicycle trail is no more or less notable than major hiking trails or state highway routes. The major objection seems to be that this trail is primarily designed for mountain bicycles, which some editors consider unworthy of Wikipedia.  In the Rocky Mountain region, tourism is a major industry, and hiking, horse, and biking trails are considered major recreational facilities.  I believe this article should be retained.  --Buaidh (talk) 13:46, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment I agree with Buaidh's reasoning on this as regards bike trails in general. However, I think in order to establish this particular trail's notability it would have to have been covered in multiple independent reliable sources just like anything else on wikipedia. I would be surprised if this particular trail didn't have such sources available. Perhaps a mountain bike enthusiast has some bike magazine's talking about the trail or maybe some books (mountain bike books, travel guide books, etc.) that discuss the Great Parks Bicycle Route. Until such sources are produced than notability for this individual trail is not established.Nrswanson (talk) 00:14, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment the org created copyvio spamvertisements for all their routes, which have zero evidence of notability StarM  00:54, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment To the closing administrator. I have just blocked User:Buaidh's account for 24 hours (see User talk:Buaidh and User talk:Buaidh) so please extend this AfD by 24 hours as user:Buaidh was the creator of this article. --PBS (talk) 19:11, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Update I'm back, no thanks to PBS. I've added several additional hyperlinks to related articles.  --Buaidh (talk) 19:30, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment none of which supply the requisitie sources to establish notability or avoid the copyvio StarM  00:02, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. After doing some research I have made up my mind. Google books revealed several promising sources. Here are some other possible sources:,  This article just needs better referencing.Nrswanson (talk) 00:22, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment the 2nd is by the organizer and therefore not a reliable, independent source -- in fact it's where this text is lifted from. The third is a mirror of same. StarM  01:07, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. The coverage in the Google books seems to establish notability.Broadweighbabe (talk) 03:30, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 04:23, 20 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep Evidently notable - I have added a citation. Colonel Warden (talk) 12:29, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment since when does a citation establish notability when the article remains a copyvio. Urge closing admin to actually look at the article when closing as so far no evidence has been shown for notability or address the copyvio. Please also see WP:NOTTRAVEL StarM  16:48, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Citations to good sources are prima facie evidence of notability. Copyright violation is a different matter which may be simply addressed by stubbing the article.  I shall attend to this now. Colonel Warden (talk) 14:43, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 00:03, 25 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep appears notable per gsearch; frequently mentioned travel destination. Compare Articles_for_deletion/Common_outcomes (attractions) and the following section (subway and rail lines). JJL (talk) 00:11, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep "The Great Parks Bicycle Route was created and mapped by the Adventure Cycling Association, an organization that promotes long-distance bicycle touring.[1]" A notable route, from a notable association(it has its own wikipedia article, so surely its proven itself notable).   D r e a m Focus  18:59, 26 March 2009 (UTC)


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