Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Greater Poland Uprising (1848)


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The result was keep. John254 02:25, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Greater Poland Uprising (1848)

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No sources, and Norman Davies states: "The year 1848 ... is notable for the fact that the Polish lands were not seriously involved in the excitements besetting almost all the surrounding countries." Hardly a year for Polish victories in the battles of Miłosław and Sokołów against the Prussian Army. Matthead Discuß   02:00, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. There does seem to have been some sort of uprising in 1848, fairly short-lived and unsuccessful, but holding a few cities for a few months. This book states that veterans of the 1846 Kraków Uprising "joined the 'Springtime of Nations' of 1848 with hardly better results: Kraków surrendered by April to Austrian troops; Lwów only after the turning point of the revolution in November. In the Prussian area, the ruling troops forced the rebels to surrender in May after a few weeks of clashes." --Delirium (talk) 02:26, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Greater Poland does not include the Austrian (in 19th century) cities Krakau and Lemberg, events there should be covered in Revolutions of 1848 in the Habsburg areas. The Revolutions of 1848 in the German states saw clashes between Prussian troops and German revolutionaries in many places, namely Berlin. Ludwik Mierosławski was released from prison, and fought with Germans against Prussian troops in Baden, which is far away from any Poland, Greater or not. As Davies states, 1848 events in Polish lands are not notable enough to write some sentences in his book God's Playground, thus Wikipedia does not need a separate article for the Grand Duchy of Posen with highly dubious claims . -- Matthead Discuß   02:55, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Agains integration. Uprising in Greater Poland had different character and target than events in other German States or even Prussia it self. Radomil talk 13:28, 2 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:V. It's unsourced for five years. -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 05:32, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions.   —Nick-D (talk) 06:49, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. This may not be a major European event, but it is notable, there are quite a few publications and even some dedicated books and articles in Polish language (ex., , , , , , ). Here's a dedicated article in WIEM Encyklopedia. Note that an alternative name of roughly the same popularity in Polish and greater in English is the Poznań uprising/Posen uprisng (powstanie poznańskie - , ). Finally, through my knowledge of German is tiny, "polnischen Aufstand von 1848" yields some print hits as well, which I am sure Matthead can analyze for us. Thus the only reasonable outcome of this discussion, other then keep, may be rename.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 12:52, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Added bibliography - keep Radomil talk 13:24, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Poland-related deletion discussions.   —Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 12:52, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. Notable. There is academic literature on the subject.--Hillock65 (talk) 14:08, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep, uprising was part of the Spring of Nations, a larger movement encompassing most of Europe. I am actually at a loss when trying to understand why this article was nominated in the first place. --Ouro (blah blah) 18:03, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Every history textbook I possess that covers 1848 (and I possess quite a few) mentions the uprisings in Poland, but more in relation to the general uprisings within the Austrian Empire. that said, they certainly have texts that cover them out there, and therefore is notable. Cam (Chat) 06:24, 4 January 2009 (UTC)


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