Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Greater Quad Cities


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to Quad Cities Metropolitan Area. ‑Scottywong | confess _ 23:17, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Greater Quad Cities

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There is no recognized "Greater Quad Cities" distinct from the Quad Cities Metropolitan Area. This article proposes that the Greater QC is the QC MSA plus Muscatine County, Iowa, but the only source that supports this is a promotional website attempting to push this new idea. There is zero recognition of a distinct "Greater Quad Cities" either in governmental sources or major media sources. This is an article about an entity that does not exist, (except perhaps in the dreams of some Muscatine County business persons). This article fails WP:N and WP:RS, and WP:OR. HuskyHuskie (talk) 02:33, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Articles for deletion/Log/2012 April 4.  Snotbot   t &bull; c &raquo;  02:46, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you; I had placed it here, but then previewed it instead of saving it.HuskyHuskie (talk) 02:48, 4 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete as original research. This isn't an official metropolitan area or combined statistical area, and the five-county area appears to be the creation of the Bi-State Regional Commission, which is just a local intergovernmental group as far as I can tell. The federal and state governments don't use the term, nor do any media outlets. While businesses use the term, they use it inconsistently; some use it to refer to the metropolitan area, which some add Whiteside County, Illinois to the area. There's no evidence, however, that the term is widely used for this five-county area. TheCatalyst31 Reaction•Creation 07:42, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Illinois-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 17:53, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Iowa-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 17:53, 5 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Quad Cities Metropolitan Area. Wikipedia now has at least three articles for the same metro &mdash; Quad Cities, Quad Cities Metropolitan Area, and Greater Quad Cities &mdash; all based on different definitions of the same socioeconomic area.  The distinction between "Quad Cities" and the others is clear: Using the name "Quad Cities" strictly for the city limits of 4 municipalities is widespread, though certainly not completely agreed upon.  But there's no substantial difference between the "Quad Cities Metropolitan Area" and "Greater Quad Cities".  As TheCatalyst31 said above, some organizations (like the pseudogovernment Bi-State Regional Commission, whose income comes from how many governments they can get to pay their salaries) draw a line around an extra county or two, but that is the case for both QCMA and GQC; I don't see any evidence that neutral sources make a distinction between the two. --Closeapple (talk) 15:04, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment. While I'm not prepared yet to give an assertion here, I'm not sure I agree with the analysis above. This may be arguable, but is not OR. It appears the Bi-State Regional Commission has been around for a number of years and has been using the term since 1992. It appears at least one local chamber of commerce uses the terminology. Here are examples which use the idiom in their institutional identity: . Redirect may be the best option, seeing as how this is a perfectly reasonable search term, but sources demonstrate this is not ORIGINALRESEARCH. BusterD (talk) 12:42, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Refutation. With all respect to User:BusterD, who did that research, none of this supports the articles's continued existence.  The point is not whether anyone uses the term "Greater Quad Cities"; I've never doubted that they do, just as people refer to "Greater New York", "Greater Milwaukee", etc.  Look at the following: Greater Chicago, which redirects to Chicago metropolitan area; Greater Miami, which redirects to South Florida metropolitan area; Greater Phoenix, which redirects to Phoenix metropolitan area.


 * The fact is, "Greater" has long been an essentially generic phrase to refer to a city's metropolitan area. The issue here is whether or not there is a recognized entity called the Greater Quad Cities that is distinct from the Quad Cities Metropolitan Area. The distinction proposed by the Bi-State Regional Commission is to define the "Greater QC" exactly the same as the US Government defines the QC Metro Area plus Muscatine County.  And there is no significant support for this self-serving redefinition.


 * I will withdraw the claim that this is WP:OR. When I wrote that I was probably presuming that someone from the BSRC wrote the article, which, while quite likely, is certainly impossible to prove, and should never have been stated. HuskyHuskie (talk) 21:32, 13 April 2012 (UTC)




 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Relisting comment: to allow discussion of the newly presented evidence


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Deryck C. 17:29, 12 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete and Redirect. I pretty much concur with what the nominator has stated above. I've found no sources better than those I've already presented. I'd say further that when we talk about the greater New York area, we call it the "Tri-State" and when we talk about the greater Chicago area, we call it "Chicagoland". So when someone says "Greater Quad Cities" I can see why that sounds a bit redundant. (Would anyone accept "Greater Chicagoland" as a formal designation? No. Yet several institutions use the idiom for identity. ,) All the above said, redirects are cheap, so unless there's something to merge (perhaps a link to the Bi-State Regional commission), I suggest we delete what we have, then redirect as User:Closeapple suggests. BusterD (talk) 02:27, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.