Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Green Hill, Delaware


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. There is consensus to not keep this article. There is no consensus about whether this should be just deleted or redirected elsewhere. This can be resolved as follows: everybody is free to create the redirect (ideally after mentioning the locale in the target article with sources), and everybody else is then free to nominate the redirect for deletion.  Sandstein  15:17, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Green Hill, Delaware

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Green Hill is a hummock in the swamp upon which was placed the Delaware Breakwater Range Rear Light, also know as the Green Hill Light. This was eventually taken down and moved to Florida, long before the topos started labelling a spot on the shore as "Green Hill". This spot had by that time been occupied by a Coast Guard station (which is still there), later joined by various nautical businesses and facilities. Delaware Place Names calls it a settlement, but the aerials all say that was never so. There's another Green Hill up in Wilmington that attracts searching, but I'm confident that this was at best a locale outside Lewes. Mangoe (talk) 20:17, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 21:10, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Delaware-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 21:10, 2 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete: Does not meet WP:NGEO and search brings results described above. --Whiteguru (talk) 06:51, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: It doesn't seems to be notable, and does not meet notability and WP:NGEO. Cheers. Tahaaleem  Talk 09:00, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Delaware Breakwater Range Rear Light (also know as Green Hill Light) was located at Green Hill, Delaware. Verifiability is supported by Delaware Place Names (as are references to "dwellings" in the target article). (Aerials would be original research and thus of dubious Verifiability as a reliable source?) Any information regarding the dwellings, coast guard station, and the maritime businesses which constitute the settlement could be researched and referenced to an expanded history of the named natural feature of the light house location. OR alternatively redirect to Lewes, Delaware, of which it is part, per GEOLAND 2 and Alternatives to deletion. Djflem (talk) 15:12, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * The problem is, as I said in the nomination but perhaps need to make clearer, the Green Hill upon which the lighthouse once stood and the supposed settlement Green Hill are not the same place, and the lighthouse was long gone before the "settlement" name was applied to the maps. The spot was and is an entrance from Delaware Bay into the Intercoastal Waterway, but that happened after the lighthouse went south, and it had nothing to do with this entrance, for it was erected to support entrance into Lewes to the east. And it wasn't on the shore, but was always in the swamp. After the USCG station arrived, the area around it basically ended up as a nautical suburb of Lewes, but there is no evidence that it was ever though of as a town or village unto itself. Mangoe (talk) 02:43, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * This part Lewes, site of the USGC and the Lewes Public Boat Ramp, likely take the name from the nearby hummock on which the lighthouse once stood. (which Delaware Place Names & other references to "dwellings" called a populated place). That said, being within the municipal boundaries the current section (not suburb) of the city whose primary purpose is nautical activities would make redirect to Lewes, Delaware, of which it is part, per GEOLAND 2 and Alternatives to deletion the best option. Djflem (talk) 20:31, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Redirect to Lewes, as the article states it is a neighborhood in the town, and ther isn't anything to distinguish it for a separate article. ~ EDDY  ( talk / contribs )~ 01:49, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Bungle (talk • contribs) 21:43, 9 August 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Coolperson177 (talk) 21:13, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Lewes. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 21:42, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 *  Weak Redirect Delete. This locale is not notable and not legally recognized, so it does not meet WP:GEOLAND.  However, redirecting to Lewes seems to be preferred by other editors and I don't have a strong opinion here, so I'll go with a weak redirect.  Cxbrx (talk) 03:03, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I changed my !vote to delete after considering Hog Farm's position below. Cxbrx (talk) 13:42, 20 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete - it's not currently mentioned in the article for Lewes, and the reality is that this neighborhood/locale is not significant to warrant mention at Lewes above other ones.  Hog Farm Talk 13:28, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
 * IDONTLIKEIT (specifically no need) is not a valid AFD argument, especially when the issue mention is SURMOUNTABLE.Djflem (talk) 15:27, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
 * WP:DUEWEIGHT. Yeah, Lewes isn't like Kansas City or something where it's impossible to list all neighborhoods/locales due to space concerns, but it doesn't seem to be due weight to mention this, and redirects without mention are generally deleted at WP:RFD.  It's a due weight issue, not IDONTLIKEIT. Hog Farm Talk 15:31, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
 * OTHERSTUFFDOESNTEXIST is not a valid reason, either. Certainly, the sections of Lewes could be handled in the article particularly Green Hill, Pilottown, and the Beach, all of which are distinct.Djflem (talk) 15:41, 20 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Redirect; this isn't quite the average non-notable geostub. It does seem like there exist a couple references substantiating that Green Hill is something -- not a city, and not a village, and not really a populated area, but it certainly exists, which is better than most of these which end up at AfD. jp×g 11:04, 24 August 2021 (UTC)


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