Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Greenbank Middle School (1st nomination)

 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Keep. The vfd was withdrawn plus the vote is for keep. Woohookitty 9 July 2005 07:57 (UTC)

Greenbank Middle School
Non-notable middle-school stub. --[[User:JonMoore|&mdash;Jo nMo ore  20:24, 29 May 2006 (UTC)]] 30 June 2005 18:38 (UTC)
 * No longer a stub, I withdraw this on VFD --[[User:JonMoore|&mdash;Jo nMo ore  20:24, 29 May 2006 (UTC)]] 1 July 2005 01:43 (UTC)


 * Speedy delete lack of context, but if someone wastes their time writing it strong delete another unnotable middle school. Dunc|&#9786; 30 June 2005 19:07 (UTC)
 * Keep. Expanded to non-stub 1 hour, 1 minute after creation. Give time to grow. Christopher Parham (talk) 2005 June 30 19:32 (UTC)
 * Keep. Apologies gentlemen, it would seem I the author accidentally pushed the wrong button. As such, it is as of a few minutes ago not a stub anymore. I thank you all for your concern and input.'''
 * Keep We should have articles on all schools. CalJW 30 June 2005 21:16 (UTC)
 * And every library. And every city park and playground. And every shopping mall... --Calton | Talk 1 July 2005 05:37 (UTC)
 * keep please it is a great contribution to wikipedia Yuckfoo 30 June 2005 21:20 (UTC)
 * Delete It reads like a propaganda piece with phrases like It is a student-centered learning environment where students become informed decision-makers. -- Coneslayer 2005 June 30 21:27 (UTC)
 * Neutral. Kappa addressed my above criticsm.  I'm still not sure that middle schools are notable in general.  -- Coneslayer 2005 June 30 21:51 (UTC)
 * Keep, good article, improves wikipedia's coverage of education in Nepean, Ontario. Kappa 30 June 2005 21:47 (UTC)
 * Keep. I urge anyone considering listing a school for deletion to look at the record I have been compiling: Watch/schoolwatch/Votes for deletion archive lists every school-related deletion listing since late January.  Since April 23 not one single school-related deletion listing, of over 120 in total, has been successful, save one article which was referred as a copyright violation.  Few school-related deletion discussions even come close to consensus for deletion. A substantial number end up with a majority vote to keep. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 30 June 2005 22:14 (UTC)
 * Everybody needs a hobby, I guess. --Calton | Talk 1 July 2005 05:37 (UTC)
 * Comment and how many of those were kept because of the fact that they were cleaned up only because they were put in VfD? Vegaswikian 1 July 2005 05:32 (UTC)
 * Check the deletion policy. If an article only needs clean-up, it shouldn't be listed for deletion in the first place. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 8 July 2005 14:51 (UTC)
 * Merge with the appropriate geographical article, to keep the school inclusionists happy. --Carnildo 30 June 2005 22:45 (UTC)
 * Not sure that would make the editors of Nepean, Ontario too happy. Kappa 30 June 2005 22:52 (UTC)
 * OK, then merge to Ottawa-Carleton District School Board which is where WP:SCH suggests. Vegaswikian 1 July 2005 07:21 (UTC)
 * Keep Merging will not make me happy. Merging is what deletionists decided to advocate for school articles when they realised they can no longer get them deleted. CalJW 2 July 2005 19:58 (UTC)
 * Delete. I live in Ottawa, and have driven by the school, and trust me, it's not notable. --[[Image:Ottawa flag.png|20px]] Spinboy 30 June 2005 23:58 (UTC)
 * Comment Will you people stop wasting our time with these stupid nominations that never succeed? &mdash; Phil Welch 1 July 2005 01:03 (UTC)
 * Comment It was a 1 sentence stub when I nominated it. We people? This is the first time I've nominated something! How am I We people? --[[User:JonMoore|&mdash;Jo nMo ore  20:24, 29 May 2006 (UTC)]] 1 July 2005 01:43 (UTC)
 * I was making a remark to the Wikipedia community at large. Don't take it personally. &mdash; Phil Welch 1 July 2005 21:31 (UTC)
 * Keep. I'm not sure I trust Spinboy as an authority on notability.  After all, we barely know each other.  &mdash;RaD Man (talk) 1 July 2005 01:07 (UTC)
 * Merge per Carnildo, to keep the school inclusionists happy... though truthfully, a separate wiki for schools would be a whole lot more useful than turning Wikipedia into a web directory of schools. If a school isn't well-known out of state, or at the center of a national news story, it's not notable enough to receive its own article.  Universities are notable because in the job market and academia, they receive much more recognition than schools below them do.  Schools below university level should just be mentioned in passing with their city, just as shopping malls, libraries, etc., are.  (And yes, I did actually read the article and see its recent changes before voting.) --Idont Havaname 1 July 2005 04:52 (UTC)
 * Comment. Inclusionists??!! Methinks I might have fallen into some sort of controversy I never heard of before. All I did was find a 1-sentence stub about a non-notable school...To be that seems about as notable as an article that says "Vinnie's car wash is a car wash on 47th Street in Someplace, CA." I guess that's what I get for trying to clean up wikipedia...--[[User:JonMoore|&mdash;Jo nMo ore  20:24, 29 May 2006 (UTC)]] 1 July 2005 05:19 (UTC)
 * "Inclusionist" is Wikipedia slang for those bent on including every possible scrap of trivia under the heading "knowledge" (as opposed to "deletionists", who are intent on slash-and-burn censorship throughout Wikipedia to leave ignorance and darkness in their wake). Or something like that.
 * Schools seem to touch a particular nerve, whereby people who might argue strenuously against inclusion of people who lack strong evidence of fame, accomplishment, and/or notoriety suddenly, when it comes to schools, confuse Wikipedia with the Special Olympics, where EVERY school is special regardless of its fame, accomplishment, and/or notoriety. --Calton | Talk 1 July 2005 05:37 (UTC)
 * Jon, thanks for your efforts to clean up wikipedia. Kappa 1 July 2005 09:31 (UTC)
 * Merge with Ottawa, Ontario or Delete outright. --Calton | Talk 1 July 2005 05:37 (UTC)
 * Comment: Nomination was withdrawn by lister (see the top of the page). Therefore, whichever admin stops by here can now close off the discussion as a default keep. --Idont Havaname 1 July 2005 07:47 (UTC)
 * That's not actually true if anyone supported the deletion, as is the case here. This will likely be kept anyway, but not by default. Oh and btw Merge to the school district. Radiant_ &gt;|&lt; July 1, 2005 08:29 (UTC)
 * Keep. James F. (talk) 1 July 2005 10:27 (UTC)
 * Delete. Article still doesn't establish notability.    &mdash; P Ingerson (talk) 1 July 2005 10:54 (UTC)
 * Keep &mdash; per schools discussion. &mdash; RJH 1 July 2005 16:47 (UTC)
 * Comment Have just redone a part about the Kids Helping Kids Program, which might bring to light some notability for the school. No, I the author will not under any circumstances merge this with the entries for the City of Ottawa, the OCDSB or any other entry WHILE (and I mean while truthfuly here) there are some stubs of high schools in the area (e.g. Bell High School) of whom have less information than this entry and which are allowed to be sitting there freely. The ONLY reason you discriminate against the entry is that you do not believe this school is as worth speaking of as a high school, or even a university. (And Spinboy? Saying it's not really notable for anything, although true, it's in more in how you said it than what you said. e.g. "trust me" That's kinda harsh, don't you think?) Well then, I must say that I have tried my best, and I will leave it up to you all to decide whether to delete the harmless (oh yeah and Ottawa-Related) entry when even the original poster has decided to let it slide.  Bensun 1 July 2005 21:31:35 UTC
 * So, you're conceding it's not notable? -- Coneslayer 2005 July 1 21:40 (UTC)
 * I believe Bensun is saying it's not specially notable for a middle school. However, the "Kids helping Kids" section proves that the school has had an impact beyond its local area. Kappa 1 July 2005 21:42 (UTC)
 * If the program is notable, then maybe that should be the Wikipedia article, rather than the school. -- Coneslayer 2005 July 1 21:46 (UTC)
 * Hmm.. there's a thought... making an obviously stubby entry in Wikipedia for a basketball tournament around Ottawa started by one specific school that doesn't have an entry itself. Surely it wouldn't end up getting deleted and you nor any of the nay-sayers on this board would not jump on my back and demand so because of a lack of information. 2005 July 1 21:53 (UTC)
 * Comment I started Ottawa-Carleton District School Board specifically for this type of article to avoid VfD debate.  It has been reasonably unsuccessful in that, as the overwhelming preference for those writing about schools seems to be to break out school articles despite the threat of deletion.  No vote yet.   T h e St ev e  July 2, 2005 06:47 (UTC)
 * The problem is that the district article does nothing to support development there. The only school list is in an article you link where there is a red link for every missing school in the linked article.  So many users will just follow that, see nothing and simply add a few words.  Don't know what a good solution is in that case.  Vegaswikian 2 July 2005 08:27 (UTC)
 * Delete. Spoon. Gamaliel 2 July 2005 06:50 (UTC)
 * Keep verifiable and NPOV schools. Well done Bensun, Kappa, et al. Double Blue  (Talk) 2 July 2005 21:58 (UTC)
 * Keep this fine example of a middle school article.  Un focused 6 July 2005 04:24 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.