Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Greg Brady (broadcaster) (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep.  MBisanz  talk 13:22, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Greg Brady (broadcaster)
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Moving to AFD after speedy delete was contested. This article as previously deleted after an AFD. Article still lacks reliable 3rd party references and fails to establish the notability of this broadcaster (being a fan of a particular NFL team does not make you notable). Rtphokie (talk) 16:16, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Radio-related deletion discussions.   -- Raven1977 (talk) 16:24, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions.   -- Raven1977 (talk) 16:24, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge whatever can be cited to The Bill Watters Show and redirect the page to that article as well. Raven1977 (talk) 16:29, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Secondary sources not provided which show notability. (The result is an uninteresting article. It just says that Mr. Brady talks on the radio and likes sports.) Steve Dufour (talk) 16:35, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep (If that is the right term). A quick perusal on Wikipedia comes up with dozens of actors, radio hosts and sports people who 'just' act, talk on the radio and play sports. Seems to me that although they lack a breadth to their resume, they are perfectly valid for inclusion on this site - and so should Greg Brady be, who is a well known radio host and commentator in his own right. The BBC and AM640 sources are hardly unreliable! --78.105.249.166 (talk) 00:26, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment WP:OTHERSTUFF is not a good reason to retain an article.
 * Keep I have added Secondary sources for this broadcaster. It was probably correct to previously delete this article when there were no secondary sources (although there were only two votes cast!) It is hard to Google for him because he shares the same name as a character from The Brady Bunch! Anyway, I submit that he is now sufficiently well-referenced to satisfy the notability guidelines. He is a broadcaster in three countries, and a commentator for the BBC on the Superbowl. Singinglemon (talk) 00:53, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Looks like a good, well sourced article on a person who is well within WP notability criteria. LukeSurlt c 01:10, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment References have been significantly improved (thanks for that) but the article still doesn't establish why this person is notable. No indication of any awards or any unique contribution to broadcasting.  Guidance provided by Notability (people) says that articles failing this additional criteria should be merged into an appropriate article.  Raven1977's suggestion that this article be merged into The Bill Watters Show seems like a good one.--Rtphokie (talk) 02:01, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment I think that's taking an unduly harsh view. I understand that this page has been deleted once before, and there is a desire, therefore, to be rigorous about this, but Wikipedia is absolutly filled with celebrities of lesser significance. Just looking at Category:Canadian radio sportscasters for example, (eg. Dennis Beyak, Robin Brown, Vincent Cauchon, Al Coates, etc.) - if the only criteria really were "awards or any unique contribution" then we would have to delete thousands of radio broadcasters alone. Greg Brady's notability is that he has been a presenter on at least three different Radio stations, and as some of the references point out, he well-known to listeners of BBC Radio 5, a station which has national coverage in the UK. Singinglemon (talk) 02:46, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment awards and contributions aren't the only criteria, those are examples of content that would show notability here. Take a look at Notability (people) and WP:OTHERSTUFF.  The focus needs to be on this article and whether or not it's notable.  If those others lack notability, they can be discussed later.--Rtphokie (talk) 13:55, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment I certainly agree that awards and contributions aren't the only criteria for inclusion; a more realistic criterion would be (WP:ENTERTAINER) that an entertainer should have "had significant roles in multiple notable films, television, stage performances, or other productions." Basically, he's notable for having significant, varying "roles" in many radio productions. I'm not saying he's the world's most famous broadcaster, all I'm saying is that, as far as Wikipedia is concerned, he passes under a moderate interpretation of the guidelines for Notability. Singinglemon (talk) 22:05, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep I agree with Singinglemon. I'm in the UK so I don't know what programmes Greg Brady has done in the USA and Canada but I believe he is sufficiently well-known from his work on the BBC. I have heard him on BBC radio many times (as recently as yesterday). I also agree with LukeSurl, that the article appears informative and well referenced. Dommar (talk) 15:02, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep I actually used Wikipedia to find out about him after hearing him on the radio. That's what this place is for. Matt lobster (talk) 22:32, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep I know of Greg through his appearances on BBC radio, and as a Canadian, I know of his radio show in Toronto. He is sufficiently well known to deserve an article. blaggers (talk) 00:55, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep He is probably the most regular pundit on one of BBCs top sports programme and Britain's No 1 sports podcast "Fighting Talk". The poor quality of the wikipedia article is not justification for deleteing it. Out of the 15 pundits listed on the Fighting Talk entry he is the only one threated with deletion but has probably appeared on the show the most times. dazzammm (talk) 08:55, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep His Wikipedia entry cites many sources that validate his notability. There is no logical reason to delete this entry. Frellmedead (talk) 11:53, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - I was neutral on the first AfD, but this version is much better sourced. - fchd (talk) 22:09, 18 November 2008 (UTC)


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