Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Greg Prato


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. —  Aitias  // discussion 11:12, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Also, salted. —  Aitias  // discussion 11:15, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Greg Prato

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This page was deleted under A7, but overturned at DRV for not fully meeting this criterion. Self-published books do not confer notability, and there is no otherwise "significant coverage by third-party reliable sources". The article did previously exist at Greg prato; there's also potentially a COI. seresin ( ¡? )  22:55, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. A couple of things to note. The article has been deleted 5 times already, 6 times counting this time. 2 days before this user made his/her version, Greg tried to create it himself. They both also created the article using a lowercase surname. Quite a coincidence. If nothing else, it would most likely be a case of sock puppetry and vanity. Erzsébet Báthory(talk 22:57, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. I was the one who deleted this as not asserting notability, and I still don't see this as having much of an assertion of notability, but I'm fine with having a full discussion instead of doing this as a speedy. In short: I think two self-published books, one not-yet-published small-press book, some magazine articles, and some web articles aren't really enough for an article. I don't see it as passing WP:CREATIVE or any other of our notability criteria, regardless of what conflicts-of-interest might or might not have occurred in its (re)-creation. By the way, this was tagged for WP:CSD, for which it was not eligible, as it was already speedied under A7 another time before this. If this ends up being a deletion, the closing admin might consider salting it. —David Eppstein (talk) 23:00, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete and consider salting: Autobiographical, promotional and written in a matey, unencyclopaedic tone with first name used throughout. This guy has a lot of hits on Google but they all seem to trace back to him or his vanity publishers. Secondary coverage is lacking. Not notable. --DanielRigal (talk) 23:06, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - I can find a lot of writing credits, and also found this brief book review but that's not enough to establish notability. -- Whpq (talk) 23:15, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:00, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete and salt. Considering the notability assertion in the article, one would think that at least one third-party reference would be included in the article, given the number of times it's been deleted already. But since there aren't any, and no one seems to be able to find one... --  Blanchardb - Me•MyEars•MyMouth - timed 01:40, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete The only real claim to notability are his articles - he appears to be a journalist rather than an author. The only sources appear to be the articles themselves. Unless any of the publications is important enough to make him notable by default for writing there (and I assume they are not? Music magazines are not my forte), there is no assertion of notability. QED. There has been some promotional activity around Greg Prato: paragraphs advertising his books were added to articles, for instance here. He is also quoted in several music-related WP articles, and perhaps somebody with more knowledge within the field should look into whether the quotes are relevant or not. --Bonadea (talk) 08:20, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete and Salt Obvious attempt at self=promotion by self-published author. Edward321 (talk) 15:35, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions.   --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  01:21, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete & Salt WP is tripped up by its own cumbersome procedures, but vanispamcruft by socks is not permissible. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 05:45, 20 January 2009 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.