Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Greg Richling


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to The Wallflowers. Will leave the history in place in case anyone wants to merge any of it. J04n(talk page) 17:24, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Greg Richling

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Unreferenced biography for musician whose career hasn't achieved notability beyond being in the Wallflowers. WP:BAND -- Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 00:42, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:49, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:49, 11 April 2013 (UTC)


 * At the very least this should be Merged to The Wallflowers leaving a redirect. There's plenty of coverage of Richling's work with that band and several sources with content about the man himself, e.g., , , , , , , . While the article as it stands is pretty awful and little more than a list of credits, I simply can't understand why anyone would think the best outcome here is simply to delete the article. --Michig (talk) 17:41, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree with Michig that the suggestion to delete this article is an unreasonable suggestion. According to Wikipedia, "Deletion happens when a page is unsuitable, unhelpful, or does not meet the required criteria." This page is suitable and helpful. It provides information that is not available elsewhere (despite contrary claims); in fact the information was recently used by the Dallas Observer in an interview conducted with Richling . Furthermore, the claim that the article should merely be collapsed and included on The Wallflowers page reveals a restricted view of Mr. Richling, whose credits and experiences extend beyond his work with The Wallflowers and includes Norway's Big Bang, Pearl Jam, Joe Henry, and notable other musicians. User:Kalliope M (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 05:19, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
 * When you put in an edit summary, "Greg would appreciate it if this page stays this way", it implies you have a conflict of interest in this matter. Secondly, articles on Wikipedia depend on independent coverage from reliable sources to assert the notability of the topic. If this article "provides information that is not available elsewhere", that would constitute original research. This article needs to at least meet basic notability requirements for biographies or otherwise be redirected to The Wallflowers. -- Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 21:02, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Not a conflict of interest at all because that denotes that the information provided in some way undermines "the aim of Wikipedia, which is to produce a neutral, reliably sourced encyclopedia." In fact, the entry enhances Wikipedia's purpose because it provides neutral, reliable, unique, independent information that isn't available elsewhere. Based on the editing histories of this page, the person insisting that the page be deleted is the person who consistently eliminates the unique/substantial information and discusses the entry only in terms of his relationship to the band, and to one band member in particular. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KalliopeM (talk • contribs) 03:53, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Really? Delete the page? It's cutting off one's nose to spite one's face! It would be nice to have some additional background or personal information about Richling, the article is helpful for a number of reasons including understanding networks and influences. I read that Dallas Observer article and came to the Wikipedia page to see about the Pearl Jam credit he talked about! Deleting it is a bad solution because this information isn't compiled like this elsewhere. I have been a long time fan of the Wallflowers and everyone who is a fan knows that he prefers to talk about his work and have it speak for him. It makes sense that he would like his information presented this way. This page clearly fits the aim of Wikipedia, "to produce a neutral, reliably sourced encyclopedia." It's helpful! EasyJumpDriver 16 April 2013
 * Redirect to The Wallflowers, subject has received multiple mentions in non-primary reliable sources however none of the reliable sources that I have found give significant coverage to the subject; therefore the subject fails WP:ANYBIO. That being said the subject was a member of a notable band, therefore per WP:OUTCOMES a redirect to that notable band would be in order.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 21:21, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
 * It's worth noting that the article started out life as exactly that redirect. Uncle G (talk) 19:25, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, J04n(talk page) 15:01, 19 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Merge with The Wallflowers. I don't think he meets notability by himself, since even interviews with titles touting his musical "pedigree" contain almost exclusively questions about The Wallflowers.  However, I do think the information in this entry is worth preserving, since he did contribute (albeit in a very limited manner) to far more notable bands, like Pearl Jam. HillbillyGoat (talk) 21:16, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.