Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Greg Sayers


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The result was delete. Sarahj2107 (talk) 12:45, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Greg Sayers

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Local politician, member of the council of a suburb of Auckland (not the Auckland Council itself as the text might suggest). References are to primary sources, sometimes not even mentioning Sayers (like this one), to very minor local outlets, to non-independent sources, or to non-RS sources like Facebook and WP. There's one reference to the New Zealand Herald, but Sayers only gets an in-passing mention there. His most notable feat seems to be that he pissed off some people by pushing for limiting access of dogs to some local beaches and parks. Apart from the "controversies" section (inserted by an IP), article is also written in a rather promotional way (albeit not enough for G11). Does not meet WP:POLITICIAN, WP:NBIO, or WP:GNG. Randykitty (talk) 13:14, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not notable beyond local politics and even that is not substantial. Further, the "article" reads like a promo piece. Kierzek (talk) 14:08, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Randykitty (talk) 14:40, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of New Zealand-related deletion discussions. Randykitty (talk) 14:40, 21 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete - Local politician lacking significantly notability Meatsgains (talk) 15:31, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep Greg Sayers is well known as a politician in New Zealands largest city where I live 222.153.158.125 (talk) 21:12, 21 June 2016 (UTC) — 222.153.158.125 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Keep Mr Sayers is a popular and well known public figure in the Hibiscus Coast and Rodney Area . 121.99.231.108 (talk) 01:12, 22 June 2016 (UTC) — 121.99.231.108 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Keep This politician does meet the WP:POLITICIAN, WP:NBIO, and WP:GNG criteria to not warrant deletion in a variety of ways. The page is created using impartial and factual sources, which are accurately referenced. He is a major political figure who meets the primary notability criterion from many sources. Auckland Council is unique in that its wards are larger in area and population than electorates for central government. This politician holds dual office over an area much larger than an electorate. His regular news coverage is of public interest and the existence of this page achieves the aims of Wikipedia. It is not a WP:SOAPBOX. I have also noted that some contributors to the Auckland Council page have added material, including controversies associated with this politician. This businessman is also notable for his previous achievements and family background. Zorbing is as significant to New Zealand culture as bungee jumping. Greg has continued the legacy of his famous father, Alan Sayers, whose achievements are also noteworthy.--TheBlackandSilver (talk) 02:36, 22 June 2016 (UTC) — TheBlackandSilver (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Comment:, can you do me a favor and please read WP:SOCK? Thanks! --Randykitty (talk) 07:46, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment: I see that "zorbing" is notable, yes. Since notability is not inherited, how does being chairman of the company making the things, or being a son of one of the founders, pass Wikipedia notability standards?   Ravenswing   12:43, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
 * As noted in the nomination, he's not on the Auckland Council — he's on the "borough" council of one individual district within the region-wide government, but not on the region-wide body itself. Bearcat (talk) 16:06, 23 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete non-notable member of a sub-urban council.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:27, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment This article reads as though it was written by someone with a COI. Appears to pass SIGCOV but most mentions are local news passing mentions as typically expected for a politician. Not convinced he passes WP:NPOLITICIAN. DerbyCountyinNZ  (Talk Contribs) 04:10, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. Was chairman of Zorb which is pretty notable ish by NZ standards. But much more significantly is he has not just been elected to local council board, but also re-elected again, and got elected to a second position at the same time!!! Which was quite controversial and got a fair amount of attention for doing so at the time (even incredibly leading a proposed bill in parliament to abolish this!). Mathmo Talk 09:40, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment: Is a notable political figure. Am well convinced the article passes all the criteria for WP:POLITICIAN, WP:NBIO, and WP:GNG. 222.153.158.125 (talk) 10:25, 22 June 2016 (UTC) — 222.153.158.125 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Delete: Ah, yes, the usual horde of sockpuppets voting Keep. I would wonder why these puppet masters go to so very much trouble to manufacture fake accounts and haul in varying IP addresses when they could devote their efforts instead to providing the slightest bit of evidence proving the notability of the subjects. Oh, wait.  It's that they know they've got nothing, only meekly admitting defeat would be symbolically castrating, or some such.  Anyway, obvious failure of WP:POLITICIAN, no evidence the subject meets the GNG.   Ravenswing   12:40, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
 * The edit history of all IPs are either to this AfD or Sayers' page. Pretty obvious what's going on here. Meatsgains (talk)
 * Ravenswing, you shouldn't overstate what is going on here in this AfD. The Keep voices are: myself (an editor on Wikipedia for a very long time), TheBlackandSilver (an account created last year, and has a small handful of edits on other pages as well. So I certainly wouldn't go so far as to call this a single purpose sockpuppet account), and two random IP addresses. Hardly what I'd call a "horde" of sockpuppets like you did, neither is there any evidence at all that there are puppet masters creating fake accounts like you claimed. As there appears to be zero fake accounts created for this AfD, not even one. Mathmo Talk 16:44, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't consider a bunch of anon IP keeps, led by an account with all of ten non-Greg Sayers edits (and all of those over a year ago), to be overstating a thing. The only legit Keep vote is yours, and that's offset by five Delete advocates, including the nom.  Obvious socking is obvious.   Ravenswing   19:38, 22 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep. I have Edited in references 11 and 12 about Mr Sayers as this string seems to missing his political sphere of influance. This politician does meet the WP:POLITICIAN protocols because the largest newspaper in New Zealand reports on him and he negotiates with the country's Prime Minister which also gets reported. See the tags ( currently 11 &12 ) to Penlink Bridge. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.93.48.173 (talk) 08:13, 23 June 2016 (UTC)  — 118.93.48.173 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Comment: "Generally, a person who is "part of the enduring historical record" will have been written about, in depth, independently in multiple history books on that field, by historians. A politician who has received "significant press coverage" has been written about, in depth, independently in multiple news feature articles, by journalists." That is the standard a politician needs to pass with press coverage. Where are those sources, please?   Ravenswing   12:37, 23 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete. Being a local councillor in a suburb is not an automatic WP:NPOL freebie (and neither is getting reelected to a second term), being chairman of a company (even a notable/famous company) is not an automatic pass over our inclusion rules for businesspeople if the sourcing for it isn't particularly strong, and the sourcing here is far too reliant on primary sources and social media posts, with not even close to enough reliable source coverage to meet WP:GNG. None of this, neither the sourcing nor the substance, is enough — and articles which need a swarm of sockpuppets to come Defend Their Ramparts! always get an automatic side-eye. Bearcat (talk) 15:57, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. I've had a look through the sources and this person fails WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV.  Schwede 66  19:09, 24 June 2016 (UTC)


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