Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gregory A. Schwitzer


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The result was REDIRECT. Redirect to List of general authorities of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Jinian (talk) 12:53, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Gregory A. Schwitzer

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Per Articles for deletion/Kevin S. Hamilton, GNG trumps being a member of the Second Quorum of the Seventy. Therefore, non-LDS related sources are needed for this article to be kept. As with Hamilton, the sources are not there. Merge attempt was blocked by article's creator. p b  p  21:27, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
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Sorry I blocked your attempt to merge the article in question, but as I explained in the edit summary field, the fact that one article was deleted based on a specific discussion related to that article does not automatically mean that this article can or should be deleted. I understand (and even accept) your point about GNG. A cursory search of Schwitzer's name on Google yields 36,100 results. One of them was an analysis of his talk about how LDS members do not use the symbol of the cross. I found three or more articles highlighting his involvement in stake reorganizations since becoming a general authority. He has served in an area presidency, which means he was one of the highest ranking leaders in that area. Another couple of articles say he is involved with missionary health issues, particularly in assisting mission presidents to determine if and when a missionary should be sent home for health reasons. According to his Church biography, he currently serves as one of four assistant executive directors of the Church's Temple Department. As such, he assisted in the groundbreaking for the Indianapolis Indiana Temple (one among many) and participated in the dedication of the Tegucigalpa Honduras Temple. Again, this information was found within just the first four pages of a Google search. These events make him prominent. As with the previous discussion, this will likely be my only comment. But I will be monitoring this discussion for whatever outcome occurs. At the outset, I would encourage the dialogue to be respectful, even if and when disagreements on this issue arise. --Jgstokes (talk) 05:20, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Please read WP:GOOGLESEARCH. The number of Google hits something gets is not reason for keeping something, particularly if the first page of results doesn't have anything approximating a reliable source.  The discussion I referenced discounts the argument that simply being prominent in the LDS Church justifies keeping; if he really was that prominent, he'd have received significant coverage in reliable sources.  p  b  p  14:08, 3 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Redirect per precedent and my own commentary in other related AFDs. We still require subjects to meet WP:GNG to be considered notable. Some internal standard of famousness or involvement is irrelevant. A key factor in assessing coverage is a consideration of independence. Church blogs, newsletters and websites are not independent sources for the purposes of establishing the notability of internal church functionaries.  St ★ lwart 1 1 1 01:10, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep and Procedurally oppose. First off, this article is on a General Authority of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. We have enough articles on General Authority's, and enough discussion of the matter, that we should keep all the article. Secondly, on a proceduarl ground, I find what has been done with article by article nominations that avoid any centralizied notification is unacceptable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:44, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Your vote is not supported by policy. It is perfectly acceptable to nominate articles one at a time, heck, multi-deletion noms of more than about 8-9 are actively discouraged.  Secondly, the policy isn't "all General Authorities are notable".  The policy is GNG, which requires independent sources.  All the sources of this article are from LDS publications, so GNG fails and this should be deleted.   p  b  p  20:58, 8 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete. I hunted for non-church sources and found this and this but those two are merely mentions. I assume he is a major figure in the church of LDS, with a mention here. There may have been a mention in the Washington Post (but the server can not find the article). I hunted for about 8 SERP pages using two forms of the name (one without the middle initial) and basically did not find much. Still, overall, while the subject appears to be a fine human being, and I admire and respect doctors of all stripes, according to Wikipedia's rules, I am not sure the subject meets the general notability guideline unfortunately.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 21:36, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete No independent sources showing notability. -- Neil N  talk to me  02:49, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Redirect I was unable, via the usual searches, to find the requisite sources necessary to reach WP:BASIC. There are mentions of him, a sentence description here, a passing reference there, a listing in a republished press release (credited as such) in a third.  I don't know of a precedent establishing notability for LDS officials at this level (pardon my ignorance if I've used the wrong word here). --j⚛e deckertalk 02:37, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Redirect to List of general authorities of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. There's not enough reliable material there for a full biography of a living person, but a redirect is a cheap way to still provide value to our readers.  Lankiveil (speak to me) 03:18, 15 June 2014 (UTC).
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