Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gregory Magarshak


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. nomination withdrawl - oops JForget  00:57, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Gregory Magarshak

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The subject does not meet the notability criteria for a musician (WP:MUSN. The article was written by the subject, and none of the references/external links meet the requirements for a reliable source WP:RS. The subject is also not notable as a software developer or entrepreneur WP:N.

I am not a New Yorker or a music aficionado, So I do not know how unusual it is for a child to appear at Carnegie Hall to perform his own work with a professional orchestra. It does not match the WP:MUSN criteria, but if we can find reliable sources that assert that this is unusual and that cite this particular performance, then we can establish notability. If someone can chime in and say "no, this happens a lot," then it's not notable.While looking for sources, also check "Gregori" in addition to "Gregory."

Arch dude (talk) 16:22, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
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It hardly ever happens that a child appears at Carnegie hall and performs his work with a professional orchestra. Magarshak was the youngest person to do this as far as I know, the youngest pianist to perform on that level. You can ascertain the notability at http://magarshak.com/piano where several TV programs and magazines are referenced. For example, in the article from "Daily News Magazine", "the youngest person ever to enter Juilliard on a scholarship". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.143.76.29 (talk) 01:59, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * This may very well be true. but we cannot depend on magarshak.com. we need to use reliable sources: see WP:RS for an explanation. Please note: it is perfectly acceptavle to cite the Daily News, even if we cannot access the article online. It is NOT acceptable to cite your web site, for two separate reasons: first, it is not a "reliable source," by our very narrow technical definition. Second, it is a web site that is improperly providing unauthorized copies of copyrighted work. Wikipedia has a prohibition against citing such sites. So, to prove notability, you need to do the following:
 * Cite the Daily News article directly, not your web site. It is not necessary for the cited material to be online, but it does make it easier if you can find it online. (I can help you format your citation: Please post a note on my talk page if you need help)
 * Cite at least one additional "reliable source."
 * Make sure that at least two reliable sources (can include the above) comment on this specific performance. Note that a simple performance announcement is insufficient: we need a full article that spends at least a few paragraphs on you specifically.
 * Make sure that at least two reliable sources (can include the above) indicate that this is unusual.
 * -Arch dude (talk) 03:32, 26 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Alright, so let's cite the Daily News and New York Newsday directly. Or, you can use the actual Carnegie Hall stagebill, which talks directly about how unusual the event is. The Russian article talks about it in no uncertain terms ("unprecedented", etc.) but it's in Russian so I don't know if that's acceptable. I would definitely appreciate your help in formatting it, if you could spare a bit of time. Also ... those stills on the site are from programs like "A Musical Encounter" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0307785/) where there was an entire episode devoted to this. I just don't know where to find it online but if you looked through the series you'd see it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.114.125.45 (talk) 05:56, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Cite and Keep: I, the original deletion nominator, am changing my implicit !vote from "delete" to "keep", assuming that the outcome of the referencing effort is positive. See my talk page for details. If there is a process for withdrawing an AfD nomination, then we should do that. I would still appreciate another opinion: I almost never participate in AfD and I may not be doing this right. Basically we still have a COI newbie, but I intend to mitigate this by monitoring the article. -Arch dude (talk) 23:50, 30 January 2010 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JForget  00:57, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
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