Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Greyday Productions


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The result was no consensus. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  20:03, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Greyday Productions

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I believe that WP:NORG would be the appropriate criteria, rather than WP:NMG for the label, because it's a company/organization rather than a label or a musician and it appears that this label does not satisfy the notability for organizations. Graywalls (talk) 19:45, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
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 * Keep. Bands and musical ensembles are companies/organizations as well, but we recognize WP:MUSIC - exclusively - as the criterion for judging their notability over WP:CORP, and I have long argued that record labels should be treated the same. WP:MUSIC provides the only language in any notability guideline specifically addressing record labels, and Greyday meets its suggestion of "one of the more important indie labels". Chubbles (talk) 14:45, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
 * comment see here. WP:NCORP still appears to be the relevant criteria. Graywalls (talk) 21:01, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
 * That's from eight years ago, and there were several subsequent discussions, some of which I started. At one point we were close to having actual enumerated criteria at NMUSIC, but the conversation got bogged down on a rather trivial technicality, and I abandoned the project - to my chagrin, as this keeps coming up at AfD over and over and over. In any case, none of this suggests we should ignore NMUSIC, and certainly, people who are interested in music are, in general, going to be better judges of what musical content to include than people who are interested in corporations and organizations. Chubbles (talk) 14:11, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
 * , BMG, Warner, Sony Music, etc are not "bands", they're organizations/corporations. Where are you finding any Wikipedia guidelines references indicating that recording companies should be evaluated under the same categories as bands? Graywalls (talk) 23:42, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I am not claiming that recording companies are bands. I'm merely pointing out that bands and ensembles unquestionably would fall under WP:CORP as "a group of more than one person formed together for a purpose", but we (rightfully) never (ever! in my entire time here) use that yardstick to decide their notability. Chubbles (talk) 14:10, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 09:29, 13 January 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 16:40, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
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 * Delete per WP:MILL. Most of the bands on this label are red links. Bearian (talk) 15:09, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure I follow. There are also numerous bands that have articles.  I might have concerns that the articles that exist are part of a walled garden, but just because several artists on a label are not notable (or not created yet) doesn't mean the label is not notable (my example would be Falcon Records (Texas)).  If a label has had significant impact on the careers of, say, seven notable artists, that is an indication of notability even if ten other artists on their roster never achieved a career trajectory that results in a blue link.  I have NOT made up my mind that this is a notable record label, but the number of blue links seem to discount WP:MILL.   78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 14:51, 28 January 2020 (UTC)


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