Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Greymatter (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   sadly, delete. This band could likely meet WP:MUSIC if the coverage and radio play were reliably and thoroughly cited. However, with no charting and no notable distribution, the bare assertions of coverage were not enough to sway editors into keeping this article. This article's re-creation will be welcome if and when verifiable sources are given. Gwen Gale (talk) 15:14, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Greymatter
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Band fails WP:MUSIC. I can't find multiple mentions in reliable sources, they have 2 self-released albums and have a "dedicated following of enthusiastic fans, including 1400 MySpace", which just about says it all. The previous AfD was for an entirely different topic that existed at this location (some software application it seems). Nouse4aname (talk) 18:55, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - Fails WP:MUSIC, does have some sources though. &mdash; neuro(talk) 19:16, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - Being on MySpace doesn't cut it, fails WP:MUSIC. Mister Senseless&trade; (Speak - Contributions) 20:02, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - Fails WP:MUSIC. 1400 fans on MySpace doesn't mean anything. David WS  (contribs)  23:42, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions.   -- Raven1977 (talk) 03:57, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.   -- Raven1977 (talk) 03:58, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't Delete! -I'm afraid I'm not too up on how to post on this discussion (pointers welcome!), but I don't feel that they fail WP:MUSIC, though maybe are a bit close to the line. I think that Greymatter are notable in their genre, i.e UK lesbian music.  They have received airplay across America (I'll try my best to get the reference up and a link to the media stream in the near future).  They have been independently reviewed and interviewed by the leading UK press in the lesbian market, and in europe while on their european tour they have been covered on Greek TV and in the Italian press.  They've also played 2 International Music events relevant to their genre and style, and a significant UK lesbian arts event, as well as some of the main (highest attendance) UK Prides, e.g. Brighton.  I understand this doesn't compare with the mainstream music scene, but are we saying that a band who operates in a minority genre can't be counted as notable?  As an aside, regarding CD production and sales, going it alone is becoming more widespread; the industry is changing.  There are bands who have sold less CDs via a record label than indie bands have sold off their own backs.  If the job of a record label is to make revenue from a band's music, then maybe the notability criteria should be measured on revenue and not who a band is signed to?  (I'm not saying this helps Greymatter's case - should I maybe take this discussion over to the WP:MUSIC page?)  kiden (talk) 11:50, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * You need to provide reliable sources to prove that the band is notable. Take a look at the reliable sources link to see what this means. Also take a look at WP:MUSICBIO. There are twelve criteria listed there, Greymatter need to satisfy at least one of these to warrant an article, if you can provide verifiable evidence that one or more of these requirements is met, then the article will not be deleted. Simply stating that they are notable without evidence fails our WP:V guideline that all statements must be referenced to a reliable source. Cheers, Nouse4aname (talk) 10:01, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
 * For the WP:MUSICBIO criteria, I was counting Diva, Sapphic Central, G3, Gaydarnation, Velvet, crAve, L Mag, eurOut, and Gingerbeer as multiple non-trivial published works in lesbian culture; all have published articles, features, reviews, and interviews of Greymatter (i.e. not just release info, performance dates, or contact listings). Five of these are available to read online, 4 are subscription based. Will links to the articles count as verifiable evidence, and would these sources be considered reliable (edit: I've just asked this over on the relevant page)?  The BBC also confirm the fact that the band became a five-pieve in 2004 in a report on the Abbey Festival at which they performed; should I cite this?  They were interviewed for a Greek TV channel on their Caterpillar Tree tour, but being from the UK, I can't say whether this was notable or national - without understanding Greek I don't know how to check this..?  I'd also say that Greymatter might be considered to be a prominent representative of lesbian music in Reading, but I don't know if lesbian music is considered a notable style (and is there a list of notable styles)? kiden (talk) 03:19, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


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