Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Grimlock (3rd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Liz Read! Talk! 19:08, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Grimlock
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No SIGCOV of the character himself, all I could find are passing mentions of his toys or one article by screenrant detailing a hypothetical fictional scenario. Grandmaster Huon (talk) 15:10, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:15, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Comics and animation and Toys.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 16:40, 28 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Honestly, what the fuck is the point to these AfDs? BoomboxTestarossa (talk) 17:00, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Getting rid of non-notable articles with a lot of fancruft. Grandmaster Huon (talk) 17:02, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Didn't someone tell you to stop?
 * Anyway, the discussions are pointless.
 * -https://www.ign.com/articles/2009/06/10/transformers-our-favorite-autobots?page=3 - it's a list, and lists don't count
 * -https://www.looper.com/181677/the-most-powerful-transformers-ranked/ - Looper (website) isn't the New York Times
 * -https://www.forbes.com/sites/anthonykarcz/2023/07/19/robosen-asks-transformers-fans-to-dig-deep-as-1699-auto-transforming-grimlock-stomps-onto-the-scene/ - it's about a toy and nothing about a toy can possibly be notable in any way shape or form.
 * -https://www.cbr.com/transformers-comic-grimlock-different-marvel/ CBR writes about literally everything, hence all the hits you get on every single fictional character ever.
 * -https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/Transformers/YBVjDwAAQBAJ? - not a real book because Reasons
 * -https://eu.usatoday.com/story/life/movies/2014/02/14/transformers-age-of-extinction-movie-toy-line-first-look/5490205/ - not written by a prize-winning journalist
 * -https://screenrant.com/transformers-5-last-knight-grimlock-returning-details/ - guys i think this website wants people to read it, untrustworthy
 * So Delete, it's what's going to happen anyway.
 * BoomboxTestarossa (talk) 17:43, 28 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep - The USA Today article above is good. Additionally he is discussed well in a two-volume publication (Vol.1 and vol.2).  These are similar to the Forbes piece above, but The Verge and Gizmodo gave good coverage of a new toy iteration without the "Forbes contributor" concerns.  Older coverage from the existing article and previous AfDs at IGN (Did the nominator review the sources that are already present and the sources brought forth in prior AfDs?)  Also, he was the inspiration for a whole video game in the franchise per Polygon.  I don't understand the comment regarding the toys; the character is a toy.  A character can also be portrayed in multiple formats, and discussion of any of them is discussion of the character. -2pou (talk) 22:34, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I fully recognize that there is a whole lot of cruft in here. By all means delete a lot of that content, but outright article deletion is not appropriate when sources WP:NEXIST to justify at least having the article in this WP:NOTPAPER encyclopedia. -2pou (talk) 22:37, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge To List of The Transformers (TV series) characters. It's clear that Boombox is heavily invested in the character, but saying WP:IQUIT and being uncivil is not a convincing argument. What this needs is hard proof of notability, and there is almost none. Besides the one Polygon article, which is decent, the most that sources comment on Grimlock is "ooh, robo T-Rex", with the character not having the depth of coverage from reliable sources to satisfy WP:SIGCOV. The book appears self-published, which, per WP:SPS eliminates a major potential source. Therefore, unless more significant sources can be shown, it should be merged. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 00:38, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * You interpreted that as me quitting Wikipedia? You wish. I'm just not dancing to the tune of a sockpuppet account with highly dubious motives. BoomboxTestarossa (talk) 08:47, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per arguments presented by 2pou. BOZ (talk) 15:12, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep obviously satisfies GNG. InfiniteNexus (talk) 00:49, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I appreciate the discussion must still run its course but it is worth noting that the nominator has been blocked for persistent bad faith actions. BoomboxTestarossa (talk) 19:08, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep, He is clearly one the main characters in the Transformers cartoon series and franchise as well. Davidgoodheart (talk) 03:08, 1 September 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.