Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Griogair mac Ailpín


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The result was delete.  Anarchyte  ( work  &#124;  talk )  01:37, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Griogair mac Ailpín

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Non-notable, unhistorical figure derived from unreliable internet family trees. Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 00:58, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

No son of Alpín by this name is mentioned in A Woolf's From Pictland to Alba. Same with MO Anderson's ODNB bio of Cináed mac Ailpín; B Hudson's Celtic Kings of Scotland; and AP Smyth's Warlords and Holymen. As far as I can see, the only sons attributed to Ailpín by reliable sources are Cináed and Domnall. --Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 00:51, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 15:08, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Scotland-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 15:08, 3 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete - no verifiability, no notability, probably no reality. Agricolae (talk) 18:11, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I did some more digging. Although the page only quotes internet pedigrees that are dramatically bad, this is not a modern creation.  Rather, it is a manifestation of the foundation legend of the Clan MacGregor. (see, for example, Douglas' Baronage of Scotland, pub. 1790 )  The Celtic Monthly published a letter from a researcher in 1906 that concluded, "There is no proof now extant that the MacGregors were descended from the Alpin line through Prince Gregor, third son of Alpin and brother to Kenneth MacAlpin, or that there ever was a Prince Gregor."  Basically, just a genealogical construct invented at some point in the distant past to link Clan MacGregor to Scottish royalty.  What does this mean for the discussion here?  The page still needs to go away, but perhaps a redirect to Clan Gregor is a viable alternative to deletion. Agricolae (talk) 16:15, 5 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete -- sources are not RS; not clear if this meets WP:V to begin with, while notability is marginal, if any. K.e.coffman (talk) 01:40, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete - I agree, I too can't find any good sources and think this fails WP:V. Smmurphy(Talk) 02:55, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete -- Every sentence in the article has "may" in it, which suggests that the sources are speculating. Of course if we can get some better sources, I will reconsider this.  Peterkingiron (talk) 23:43, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
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