Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Grizzlor


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to List of She-Ra: Princess of Power and She-Ra and the Princesses of Power characters. Tone 12:25, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

Grizzlor

 * – ( View AfD View log  Stats )

The coverage (references, external links, etc.) does not seem sufficient to justify this article passing General notability guideline and the more detailed Notability (fiction) requirement. WP:BEFORE did not reveal any significant coverage on Gnews, Gbooks or Gscholar. PROD removed by a WP:SPA using edit summary "Laughable! This is an important article!" who is clearly not here to WP:BTE (90% of edits of this account are limited to PRO template removals). Anyway, as I said above, the sources are very poor, plot summaries in niche listings of characters, etc. I can't think of anything better to do here than to redirect this to List of He-Man and the Masters of the Universe characters. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 09:11, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  09:11, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Science fiction and fantasy-related deletion discussions. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  09:11, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletion discussions. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  09:11, 28 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Redirect or delete - The reception section is populated by some trivial WatchMojo-tier articles. Those are not significant coverage. TTN (talk) 13:02, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment - Is there a better way to handle all of these comics/toys/gaming/fiction/etc. articles? I couldn't care less about this stuff, but this article, at least, appears to include references from independent, reliable sources.  I was also alarmed, earlier in the summer, that so many nomination arguments--not by Piotrus, I don't think--were misrepresenting reliable sources by asserting that "Official" in the title of a reference meant that the book was a primary source; it wasn't, and "Official" meant only that the images, etc., had been licensed.  The book was, in fact, published by a large publishing house with long-established editorial policies. All of these types of articles inspire a great deal of passion on both "sides," so perhaps a larger discussion in an appropriate venue is in order. I say this respectfully, but if there are responses to this comment, please respond with something beyond pasting in policy shortcuts, or please suggest a different place to discuss what is becoming a problem. (I'm mostly referring to articles where some sources do exist.) Thanks. Caro7200 (talk) 13:34, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
 * If you have suggestions how to do things better, I am all ears. This was PRODed, PROD was declined, so here we are. A redirect would be a stealthy deletion so it is better to have one here. Mass nominations are generally seen as bad ideas. And as for the issue of official sources, first, yes, I don't recall making such an argument, and second, this would be better to be raised at WP:RSN or a talk or similar page. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 01:12, 29 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep. This is an important nemesis in Masters of the Universe, of course it is notable. Many shows, many toys produced, many discussions on its importance. The nominator just copy-pasted his same nomination everywhere, without any real analysis of the significance of the monumental importance of this article to the Masters of the Universe.IQNQ (talk) 13:58, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Assertions of WP:ITSIMPORTANT, WP:ITSNOTABLE, etc. are not a very good argument. The WP:SPA above copy-pasted the same argument to all the AfDs in which they used the same dePROD summary. Try again. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here


 * Redirect or delete per TTN - GizzyCatBella  🍁  09:33, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep: There are sources currently used in the article. How He-Man Mastered the Universe: Toy to Television to the Big Screen (McFarland, 2017) discusses Grizzlor's portrayal in the mini-comics. He-Man and the Masters of the Universe: A Character Guide and World Compendium (Dark Horse, 2017) has more than a page on how the portrayal of Grizzlor has changed over the years, from the mini-comics to the toy line, cartoon, and recent revival. There's a full-length review of a recent Grizzlor figure from MTV News (2010). I believe that this demonstrates notability. — Toughpigs (talk) 18:59, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * This sounds much better when you reword it - but in the end, as your own edit clearly demonstrates, this is a pure plot summary. Well, outside of a toy review, but a review of a related product may help to estabilish the notability of the figure, not the fictional character per WP:NOTINHERITED.  --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  03:36, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect per TTN. We don't have significant coverage to pass the WP:GNG and write any meaningful context. The article is still overwhelmingly WP:PLOT information which is something that Wikipedia articles are WP:NOT. Shooterwalker (talk) 03:21, 31 August 2020 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.