Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Grof


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was delete with a 100% discount of sockpuppet votes. - Mailer Diablo 00:30, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Grof
Despite their grofumentary and nice picture, I have a suspicion these guys fail the music notability criteria. Delete &mdash; picture should go at the same time. -- Egil 01:35, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Fails WP:MUSIC; we should have a dedicated button for these ones. Deltabeignet 01:45, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Why don't we give the poor guys a day, then we can throw it into the cyberspace fire. Its not like we are running an encylopedia here. Sarcasm--Master Jay 02:05, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep you are based on mere suspicion. You have no proof of how many albums, if any, they have sold. And also no way of really knowing how famous they really are. And since none of us live in Puerto Rico, there is no way we know how famous they are. Since we can't be certain that they are famous, we can't affirm for certain that they are not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.237.153.8 (talk • contribs) 2005-11-09 02:17:15 UTC
 * You are saying that no information about this band is verifiable. If that is indeed the case, then you have made a strong case for the deletion of this article.  If you want to make a case for keeping it, you must provide the very information that you are saying isn't known, citing sources.  Uncle G 03:09, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep La Secta Allstar has a space, here and they are not known very much through-out the US, besides their current guitarrist Mikey Genao is friend of their producer. That must mean something. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.23.193.150 (talk • contribs) 2005-11-09 02:36:50 UTC
 * Delete Fails to meet WP:NMG as supposedly recording first album. No indication of tours or prominent members but plenty of socks. Unfortunately for them, it is not one of the criteria we use to assess notability. No Allmusic.com article and a search for Grof band "Puerto Rico" comes up with 504 results but not anything confirming the existence of this band let alone notability see . Capitalistroadster 02:42, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep I've heard these guys play before, and you shall not judge them by their incomplete music criteria. So they might not have it complete, but that's not a reason to delete them. They have worked hard on their band, and these guys are serious. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.23.215.230 (talk • contribs) 2005-11-09 02:44:53 UTC
 * Delete, fails above guidelines. Anonymous contributors, if they're so serious, then you can write about them after they do something notable. Melchoir 02:50, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete non-notable. Not on AMG, fails WP:Music.  --W.marsh 03:32, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Clearly NN as mentioned above...and their farcical Keep-votes only dig a deeper grave. PJM 04:07, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, contents of article make it perfectly clear that this band does not meet the notability criteria as set forth in WP:MUSIC. --Stormie 10:54, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. --Syrthiss 13:27, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Great they may be (and I have no reaosn to doubt it except inherent scepticism regarding any comment made by sockpuppets), bit notable they surely are not Just zis Guy, you know? [T]/[C] :: AfD? 13:42, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
 * My vote for delete always turns to strong delete when the puppets come out. Ifnord 15:13, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete whenever sockpuppets feel the need to emerge. ESkog | Talk 15:17, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Sophomoric SP's, no less. PJM 15:21, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

' Lorenzo Bosque Puertorican Resident — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.167.98.165 (talk • contribs) 2005-11-09 21:35:28 (UTC) Roberto Ramirez de Arellano, Puerto Rican rezzadent & pirate — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.237.184.224 (talk • contribs) 2005-11-09 22:09:44 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:MUSIC. Paolo Liberatore (Talk) 18:00, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep They do appear on AMG. On allmusic.com they appear as Groof, typographical error. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.237.153.8 (talk • contribs) 20:42, 9 November 2005
 * The Groof on Allmusic was active in the 1990s. This article claims the band was founded in 2004. Something tells me they're not the same people - unless you're saying they have a time machine? &mdash; Haeleth Talk
 * Keep Perhaps you should be more flexible and await for the opinion of a puertorican. It is evident that you haven't heard about them because they don't live in the U.S. Keep in mind that they live in a relatively small island, so its plausible that they are well known there, but, due to the lack of funds, they have been unable to travel around the world. Renée DuChesne — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.237.153.8 (talk • contribs) 20:42, 9 November 2005
 * Keep I am from Puerto Rico, this is a well recognized band withing the youth of our island, i belive it should stay it gives us pride that a common band within us is established for other to lear about, this band is from of the most prestigious schools in Puerto Rico San Ignacio de Loyola, a jesuit school. Puerto Rico is a commonwealth of the US and feels strongly about their music. This is a band with not enough funds to tour US and many few are capable of doing so.
 * Interesting that a "Puertorican Resident" should be commenting from a Florida IP address, eh? &mdash; Haeleth Talk
 * Comment: Always good when the socks come by, it confirms the judgement to delete :-) Hey, I bet the applause at their gigs is quiet, what with all the fans having socks over one hand... Just zis Guy, you know? [T]/[C] :: AfD? 21:41, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. The AMG entry for "Groof" shows a band that has two EPs released in 1998 and 1999, long before Grof was formed in 2004. If we put all the sockpuppets in a dryer, would we invariably lose some of them? -- howcheng  [ t &#149; c &#149; w &#149;  e  ] 22:03, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Well, who has the time to actually go looking for pointless articles in wikipedia and make a fuss about them to erase them?  Let it be, man.  Besides, I know these guys and they are well on their way to get their new album out, and they have potential.  So please, lay off and give the guy who made this article peace of mind, and let Grof amuse themselves.
 * Impressively, this user is actually contributing from Puerto Rico. However, he's still acknowledging that this article meets our criteria for deletion. Roberto, sorry, but that's why we want to delete it. &mdash; Haeleth Talk
 * Delete, per all above... including the sock puppets who don't seem to understand what "notable" means. &mdash; Haeleth Talk 22:14, 9 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Haeleth i am a resident from puerto rico san juan especialy look up mi name in google i apear as a contributer to comunity service and what is your personal grude to delte this band, and this ip is not from florida

COMMENT: How did so many people come across this article?

REPLY: Recently we puertoricans have come across this news, as more and more people realize that a known band is being deleted from this page more puertoricans will stand up


 * (A more rationale reply) Something I enjoy about Wikipedia is the idea of consensus. It's not like a vote per se. If I see on AfD that more than three people voted to delete and no one has voted to keep - I don't need to poke my nose in. Only when there is a disagreement will I look at the article and then weigh in on the debate. Here we have what appears to be a debate - but in reality it's deletes and sockpuppets. More people will enter the fray if they believe the voting is being skewed by puppets. Ifnord 23:27, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

"KEEP" I know all members of this band personally. They are rising stars and have the contacts to be big. There album do to come out in the next months will be extremly succesful down here in P.R. I know this because they are extremly passionate about there music. They are also racking up the gigs at battle of the bands they also play at most school or student organized activities and everybody loves them.

Jame Gavin

"KEEP" I am resident of Puerto Rico and i know this band personally and i think theyre great. They should not be deleted because they are unknow in teh U.S.for they have a great deal of followers here in P.R.                               Rodrigo "abuela" Vazquez KEEP- they show a good sense of music and talent. They should be given the recognition they deserve. It is not easy to have a band like that at that age, I think that you should keep the article to it serves as an example to other musicians that wish to be in a band. This serves as an example to young kids and adults to never give up your dreams, just stick with them and you will acomplishe in life what yu want.


 * Comment Enough already with the sock voting. You've made your point. However, Wikipedia is not the place to promote 'up and coming' talent. Get signed by a notable label, release a couple of albums and try again. Lots of luck to you. PJM 01:51, 10 November 2005 (UTC)


 * CommentThe rules says that for a band to apear her they must have hit a number 100 nationaly, there albun is coming out next moth give them till then if they dont hit the charts erase them but if they do they can llegaly stay (Sugestion)
 * The converse of that argument is WP:ISNOT a crystal ball. Delete them now and if they make it big, THEN reinstate. -- howcheng  [ t &#149; c &#149; w &#149;  e  ] 16:50, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Non-notable, fails WP:MUSIC, plus the noisy sockpuppet. *drew 23:26, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. This has turned into such a mess. Kill it already. -Haon 02:37, 14 November 2005 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.