Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Groningen Journal of International Law


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The result was delete. Davewild (talk) 06:33, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Groningen Journal of International Law

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Non-notable new journal. Not indexed in any selective databases, no independent sources. Does not meet WP:NJournals or WP:GNG. Hence: delete. Randykitty (talk) 13:07, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
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 * Comment – If not independently notable, this should (could) be merged to University of Groningen as per WP:ATD-M. The University article presently has no mention of this journal. This would improve the merge target article. North America1000 13:31, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment At this point there appears to be not a single independent source. All we have is the journal's own website, which is not even clear about its relationship with the university. --Randykitty (talk) 13:44, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Sure, but primary sources can be used to verify content in articles. Here's more background info. about the journal, which is "run entirely by students at the University of Groningen, the Netherlands, with supervision conducted by an Advisory Board of academics." North America1000 14:24, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, they can be used for that, but I'd be hesitant to add info when all we have is the journal's homepage. And "run entirely by students at the University of Groningen, the Netherlands, with supervision conducted by an Advisory Board of academics" does not necessarily imply that the university is involved, all those people can volunteer their time, so a formal connection with the university is not certain. All we can say at this point is that this is an activity by people studying/working at this university. --Randykitty (talk) 14:41, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
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 * Delete: no coverage, fails WP:GNG. Highest-cited paper has four citations. Esquivalience t 18:28, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Redirect to the university per NorthAmerica1000. I don't think it matters whether the connection is formal or informal. Cited in 'premiere' sources like books from OUP. James500 (talk) 22:45, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
 * A search on Google Scholar gives a few articles cited one time each and one article cited four times. None of the citations seems tohave been from a book (let alone OUP). Perhaps you can tell us where you found those citations? As for formal/informal: there's a club playing pool once a week. The members are students and some faculty of the university. They have a website. Should we include that in the article, too? --Randykitty (talk) 23:31, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
 * @User:Randykitty: (1) Two of the citations are in this book from OUP. They abbreviate the name of the journal to "GroJIL" (see the table of abbreviations for confirmation of the meaning of this expression). This sort of abbreviation is the norm for legal citations and has to be watched for. There are other citations in GBooks, such as this book from OUP, this book from Routledge, this book from CUP, and so forth. GScholar does not know all, and one's searches should not end there. In fact, there seem to be quite a lot of things missing from GScholar. When I look at your search on GScholar, I only see one citation, not four, which may indicate it isn't working. (2) If the club is mentioned in even one 'quality', like a book from a university press, the answer to your question may be "yes". People who see the citations in those books are going to come looking for this. James500 (talk) 03:56, 15 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete Randykitty has compelling arguments for failing WP:NJOURNAL. poor level of citations and little coverage by the international law community. LibStar (talk) 00:21, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete, fails NJournals, does not meet any one of the three criteria outlined in JOURNALCRIT. Ghostwheel ʘ 23:58, 21 July 2015 (UTC)


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