Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gross, Minsky & Mogul

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The result of the debate was DELETE. Paul August &#9742; 20:40, September 2, 2005 (UTC)

Gross, Minsky & Mogul
vanity, advertisement nominated by Quuxplusone 02:14, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

This firm was added to the "Law Firms" article. It is a well known law firm in Maine and New England. I will delete it if that's what people want, but it's not an advertisement, no more than the article for any of the other law firms. There's not solid reason to delete this page. I will continue to expand it and improve its quality, if allowed. I've started other articlessuch as the University of Maine School of Law and greatly expanded Searsport, Maine. If given the chance, I'll make this just as good as those. Please let me know when this is resolved so I can remove the tag and continue my work. Thank you. AFethke 02:17, August 26, 2005 (UTC)


 * I don't see any indication that this firm is in any way notable. We don't have, and IMO shouldn't have, an article on every small law firm in the world. Delete unless edited to indicte the encyclopedic significance of this firm. DES (talk) 02:26, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

If you'd like,I can cite the hundreds of times the firm and its members have been mentioned in various media outlets, the countless appellate cases they have argued and the case citations, (meaning the firm has been instrumental in shaping the course of Miane and federal law) the fact that their members are (were) the Presidents of the State Bar Association, County Bar Association, Maine Trial Lawyers Associaiton....balh blah blah. It may be small, but all firms in Maine are considered small. In fact, Gross Minsky is condered a medium sized firm in Maine. If firms have to be over 50 peoples to be notable that knocks out every firm in Miane, NH and almost allof Vermont. That's not right. How else could I prove it its notability?AFethke 02:31, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

I will probably be the only person voting for the article, given the small legal communbity here in Maine, so delete it if you will and I won't argue anymore. I just think it would be a mistake. Just mentioning in the list of law firms on the law firms page would be fine I guess. Just think about it and don't be so quick to judge.AFethke 02:36, August 26, 2005 (UTC)


 * Comment -- Ideally, find some notable case the firm dealt with that appeared in nationwide or better yet, global media. Being medium-sized or large compared to other firms in a state doesn't necessarily make it notable (due to the limited geographical scope of one state) --Mysidia (talk) 02:36, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment. Woah, I would have waited more than 10 minutes to put a VfD tag on. If the author can come up with something more compelling that "involved in malpractice suits", then maybe we should keep. Sdedeo 03:01, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Most Vfd nominations come from people doing new pages or recent changes patrol, so they are usually made soon after the article is created. An advantage is that it keeps the contributor from investing more time on it if it's going to get deleted. Niteowlneils 03:14, 26 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Delete. As much as I don't like biting (relative) newcomers, I went thru the first 5 pages of google hits and they were all atty directories except a few thanking the firm for being one of many firms sponsoring events (such as "A Benefit Event for Maine Coast Memorial Hospital’s Breast Clinic Endowment Fund")--nothing from findlaw or such (and no news/journal articles about cases) that one would expect if they were involved in any notable case(s). Wikipedia is not a business directory. Niteowlneils 03:14, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not notable. --GraemeL (talk) 10:05, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

After sleeping on it, let's just delete it. I'm tired fo fighting. I do believe it should stay listed on the "Lw Firms" article, as it is one of the best known firms in Maine and is well known throughout New England,but that's it. Thanks.AFethke 10:49, August 26, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete nn. Dottore So 19:59, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Non-notable. *drew 22:47, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete pending more information. My thoughts on the inclusion of law firms have to do with stature in the legal community or involvment in notable cases. Representing plaintiff's before the Supreme Court is also intrinsicly notable. Klonimus 20:21, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

Why are we still going through this? I am in favor of deleting this, I was the one who created in the first place and no one else has said to keep it.....what's the hold up? There is a clear consensus (unanimous actually) would an administrator please do what was done 2 or 3 times already, just delete this. ThanksAFethke 23:34, August 28, 2005 (UTC)
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