Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gross annual earnings


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The result was   no consensus. (non-admin closure)  B E C K Y S A Y L E S  08:38, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Gross annual earnings

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Article is very confusingly written, and it is not clear if this is really a technical term. In any event, it amounts to no more than the natural combination of the meanings of "gross", "annual", and "earnings", so tells the reader nothing. Imaginatorium (talk) 04:24, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
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 * Commment - I find this term in a number of dictionaries for law and business, under various names. Gross earnings 1 and 2, gross annual income. The phrase is used here by the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment, and here by Eurostat and here in the Guardian. But unsure it needs a wikipedia article.  JT dale Talk ~ 09:36, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
 * The sources use the expression in different ways, none exactly the same as this article.Borock (talk) 04:18, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. NorthAmerica1000 11:22, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica1000 00:26, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete I happen to know something about accounting. I have never heard of this expression, although it might be used in international economics or something. "Gross annual income" is not the same thing at all. Borock (talk) 04:11, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep This is a standard measure used in econometrics, national statistics, international comparisons, &c. For example, see this OECD document. Andrew D. (talk) 23:18, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
 * That article talks about "gross annual earnings per employee". The WP article up for deletion talks about "amount of monetary wealth earned in a year by the working class". Not the same thing. I don't know if the OECD's usage is standard. If so correct the article and keep it. If not delete.Borock (talk) 15:09, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: In common useage "the working class" includes non-employed family members. Borock (talk) 15:12, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
 * As I said, I am absolutely not an expert, but I can understand the OECD article (almost) perfectly: It says "Average gross annual earnings per employee". This appears to be the normal meanings of all of the words, put together in the obvious way: average and per employee means you add the total for all employees, and divide by the number of employees. Annual earnings means the total the employee earned in a year; I don't quite understand what gross means here, but the article certainly doesn't explain it. The article in fact is so confused, that after reading it I understand less not more. Does the person who wrote it think that magically, saying "gross annual earnings" you mean something else (such as GAE per employee)? Anyway, I do not believe there is a person alive who will be helped by reading this article, which is why I think we would have a better encyclopedia by deleting it. Imaginatorium (talk) 15:26, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
 * "Gross" means before taxes are taken out. Borock (talk) 15:28, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Michig (talk) 08:36, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
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