Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Group theory terminology


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to group theory. There's no reason not to keep the redirect around. This will keep the current URL valid, so existing bookmarks, links from external sites, and search result caches won't go 404-ing on people. -- RoySmith (talk) 12:41, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

Group theory terminology

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Wikipedia is not a textbook reference. This article should be transwikied to Wikibooks. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 01:53, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Mathematics-related deletion discussions. Johnuniq (talk) 02:41, 10 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Merge with group theory: It's possible that the merger results in an effective deletion of the article. If so, so be it. -- Taku (talk) 03:40, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Merger is inappropriate, see below. --Bejnar (talk) 03:52, 10 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete no redirect, as an unnecessary and less encyclopedic version of existing articles. This article has been around since June 2003; it was initiated by editor Wshun who ceased editing Wikipedia in 2013. In the 12 years since creation it has received less than 100 edits. According to WP traffic at http://stats.grok.se/ prior to 8 October 2015 the article averaged under 35 hits a day this year.  This article was formerly called Glossary of group theory, it was moved on 8 October 2015‎ to the current title by The Transhumanist. The article has five sections, each of which is covered elsewhere.  The "Basic definitions" section is covered in Group (mathematics). The section on "Finiteness conditions" seems to be covered at Finite set. "Abelian groups" is covered at Abelian group. "Normal series" is covered at Subgroup series. The section "Other notions" has two entries whch are covered at General linear group and Group representation, respectively.  All of these topics are mentioned in the two articles Group theory and Group (mathematics) at their appropriate places.  I see no justification for an additional site for terminological pointers, nor defintions. The definitions are an unnecessary WP:Content split. Also WP:NOTDICTIONARY.  Considerable work will need to be done as there are about forty articles that point to this one; however, all of the ones that I looked at could be changed to pointing to Group (mathematics), to one of the specific articles listed above, or just removed without loss.  If there is a reason that these policies should not apply, please let us non-mathematicians know what it is. --Bejnar (talk) 03:52, 10 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Merge, to wherever appropriate. In answer to your request, WP:NOTDICTIONARY does not apply, since glossaries and terminology articles are exceptions to that policy, and each term is covered as a subject rather than as a word. Any facts that are included in this article that are not covered elsewhere should be integrated into the encyclopedia in the appropriate places. The Transhumanist 05:32, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
 * We already have List of group theory topics for a distribution point, we don't need two such points. --Bejnar (talk) 13:22, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete despite the horrible nomination rationale, but with no precedent for deleting other glossary/terminology articles. There are some features of textbooks that we don't want to duplicate in Wikipedia, but explanations of the technical vocabulary needed to understand certain important but specialized topics can be perfectly encyclopedic. This particular article, on the other hand, is a disorganized and rambling discourse on a random selection of topics in group theory, better covered already by our other articles in group theory. —David Eppstein (talk) 05:33, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   09:53, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete per Bejnar and David Eppstein. Choor monster (talk) 17:28, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * The page that existed until 2008 looks more like a glossary, and defines some of the terms (which the list of topics doesn't) - would that version be more suitable? Peter James (talk) 13:06, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
 * That's the germ of a good idea. Check out Category:Glossaries of mathematics for numerous examples. Choor monster (talk) 13:35, 19 October 2015 (UTC)


 * redirect to group theory - per above. DangerDogWest (talk) 04:36, 26 October 2015 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.