Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Guadalupe García de Rayos


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Most of the "keep" votes don't adequately address WP:NOTNEWS concerns, and both the article and some of the comments here seem to border on righting great wrongs. –  Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 00:23, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

Guadalupe García de Rayos

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This article was moved from Guadalupe García de Rayos to Deportation of Guadalupe García de Rayos during the discussion process by Bk33725681. Please leave this note at the top of this discussion page for the benefit of new participants. Dash77 (talk) 21:51, 11 February 2017 (UTC)



Biography of a living person known for one event only CatapultTalks (talk) 20:39, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
 * This article is notable for the following reasons:
 * 1. Two U.S. citizens are being harmed. The children.
 * 2. This is not about notably of an event but information about the consequences of Trump change in deportation policy.
 * 3. There will likely be a court challenge and likely a stay on the deportation that harms two delicate U.S. citizens.
 * I would prefer the focus of the article to not be about the mother, but about the two children who are being harmed. You may know that a mother sacrifices her life for her children and gives everything she has for them, out of love. Daniel.Cardenas (talk) 20:54, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Please feel free to add as much reliablly sourced information about the harmful effects that this is having on the children as you can find. But that doesn't mean that the mother's coverage in the article should be reduced. The article can cover both the mother and the children to the degree that is necessary to inform the readers about what is going on. Bk33725681 (talk) 20:08, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
 * The children of criminals often suffer for the misdeeds of their parents, and using their experience as a rationale for inclusion in the encyclopedia has no support in policy or guideline. Marteau (talk) 14:38, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

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 * Tentative keep - there's been lots of attention and protests. Bearian (talk) 02:23, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Tentative delete - certainly Trump's immigration policy represents a huge and notable change from the past. Ms. García de Rayos's role as an early example of an immigrant affected by Trump's policies therefore certainly merits mention in some of those articles.  It is not clear to me as yet whether her own role is notable enough to merit a separate article.   Rosa Parks, for example, is notable because she became a major focal point of the civil rights movement.  If Ms. García de Rayos becomes a similar icon in the fight against Trump's policies she will be similarly notable.  However I think it is too early to say whether she will be notable for more than just this one incident.  This incident--although obviously devastating to her family--may not be sufficiently notable in the more public sphere to warrant a separate article.  My views could change, however, even in the time it takes for this discussion to run its course if, for example, Ms. García de Rayos emerges as an ongoing leader in the fight against Trump's policies.  If, however, her public role turns out to be limited to this one incident, she should be mentioned in other articles but there is no need for a separate article for Ms. García de Rayos.  Dash77 (talk) 17:40, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree it is not notable because of the Mom. I find it notable because of the continued harm to two teenage citizens. Daniel.Cardenas (talk) 20:08, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
 * At least as yet, I don't think it is notable for that reason either. It doesn't go into any detail on the impact to the two children from reliable sources.  For example, it mentions that the daughter wants to be a doctor.  One can speculate that this might be affected by the mother's deportation.  But it only becomes notable for that reason if there are reliable sources (not speculation by Wikipedians) that go into how the childrens' lives have been affected.  Right now the article is basically a brief article about the deportation of the mother, not the children.  I do agree with Bk33725681 that changing the article to be specifically about the deportation is an improvement. Dash77 (talk) 21:51, 11 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep - I changed the article's title to "Deportation of Guadalupe García de Rayos" because she is notable only for this one event. This is getting so much media coverage and is notable as an early, well covered act from the new Trump administration. Bk33725681 (talk) 20:06, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
 * According to Guide to deletion moving an article while such a discussion is in process can be confusing and should be noted both at the top and the bottom of the discussion page. I've done so;  however it wasn't my move and so if I'm not doing this correctly hopefully someone can correct me. Dash77 (talk) 22:06, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Oh wow! Thanks for telling me about that guideline. I was not aware of it. And thanks for posting the notifications too. I appreciate what you did. Bk33725681 (talk) 22:26, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
 * If there is any development/change to the deportation story, this can be noted in the EO article. At this point it is unlikely that the deportation will be reversed CatapultTalks (talk) 00:23, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I apologize for my confusion, but what is an 'EO article'? What does 'EO' stand for?  I Googled 'EO' in connection with Wikipedia and couldn't find anything--and 'EO' doesn't seem to be the initials of anyone connected with Ms. Garcia de Rayos.  Dash77 (talk) 00:35, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I was referring to the EO (Executive order) - Executive Order 13768, under which Ms. Rayos was presumably deported. CatapultTalks (talk) 02:46, 12 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete Wikipedia is not news, and nothing about this rises above the level of news.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:14, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Highly newsworthy this month--but I doubt it'll be memorable same time next year. So I agree: News need not clutter up Wikipedia. It's not the right platform. Instead, I suggest a standard news archive like New York Times, Wall Street Journal, or AzCentral [the Phoenix newspaper].  Dwight666 (talk) 22:41, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Now that it has been moved to "Deportation of Guadalupe García de Rayos" I probably tend towards Keep. So far I feel that neither the mother nor her children are notable for more than this one event.  However with the focus of the article shifted to this one event, it becomes notable because there has been a sea change in US immigration policy--which seems likely to last, possibly with changes, for at least four years.  As such this is a notable event marking that change. Dash77 (talk) 19:35, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

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 * Delete - WP:NOTNEWS and it's a severely slanted article.  Dr Strauss   talk  12:14, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep - It will become obvious over time either way whether this is news or not.
 * Delete - Information in this maudlin and unencyclopedic article more properly belongs in other articles and not under the name of a non-notable person. Marteau (talk) 15:00, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

This article was moved from Guadalupe García de Rayos to Deportation of Guadalupe García de Rayos during the discussion process by Bk33725681. Please leave this note at the bottom of this discussion page for the benefit of the closing administrator. Dash77 (talk) 21:51, 11 February 2017 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.