Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Guangzhou True Light Middle School


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The result was keep‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Liz Read! Talk! 04:29, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Guangzhou True Light Middle School

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Unsourced since 2021, appears to fail WP:NSCHOOL. I could only find one example of WP:SIGCOV, a short article about learning conditions in the Hong Kong Free Press. As always with these articles, foreign language sources may exist but I have no way to find, access, or verify those. ThadeusOfNazereth(he/him)Talk to Me! 13:59, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Schools and Hong Kong. ThadeusOfNazereth(he/him)Talk to Me! 13:59, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Education and China.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 20:15, 6 September 2023 (UTC)


 * @ThadeusOfNazereth For your information, the article from the Hong Kong Free Press is about the True Light Middle School in Kowloon (a place in Hong Kong), not Guangzhou (capital city of Guangdong, China). Cheers, -- TheLonelyPather (talk) 03:53, 7 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Mandarin speaker & Cantonese reader here. I looked into the Chinese sources and there is just routine coverage through some not RS sites. The zh-wiki article has eight sources. Only some of them satisfy en-wiki:


 * 增学位、开新校、换校长…… 这个开学广州变化大. 南方网. 2017-08-31 [2023-07-16]. （原始内容存档于2023-07-16） –通过央广网. This article covers several schools, not just True Light alone;
 * 朱汉斌. 广州市真光学校举行创校145周年文化展示活动. 科学网. 2017-11-12 [2023-07-16]. （原始内容存档于2023-07-16）. This article satisfies RS. Significant coverage of the school celebrating its 145th anniversary. link to the article via web archive
 * 蒋隽. 今年广州“小升初”有四大变化 学位房还香吗？. 羊城晚报. 2022-08-30 [2023-07-16]. （原始内容存档于2022-09-01）. Not sigcov. Article talks about school allocation with respect to housing.
 * 马思泳. 深化集团化办学，广州荔湾区4所示范性高中全权管理11所初中. 羊城晚报. 2023-07-15 [2023-07-16]. （原始内容存档于2023-07-16）. Not sigcov. Article talks about the administration of 11 middle schools.
 * 真光校史之一. 广州市真光中学. 2011-07-03 [2012-07-26]. （原始内容存档于2015-06-02）. Primary source of the school's history.
 * 學校活動傳真. 香港真光中学（幼稚园部）. [2011-09-09].[永久失效链接] Curious enough, this is a primary school from Hong Kong's True Light Middle School. Likely related to our subject, but still a primary source.
 * 學校簡介. 九龙真光中学. [2011-09-09]. （原始内容存档于2011-08-21）. Another primary source, this time from the True Light Middle School of Kow Loon.

I am taking the liberty to look at the zh-yue-wiki article. It cites three sources:


 * 广州：高考生出校门遭刀捅 凶手与其父母有过节 YouTube Youtube video, cannot be taken as a source.
 * 广州：高考生出校门遭刀捅 凶手与其父母有过节 腾讯视频 Video from the Tencent platform (similar to Youtube). Again, cannot be taken as a source.
 * 真光学子餐后又屙又呕 互聯網檔案館嘅歸檔，歸檔日期2016年2月28號，. 廣州日報 （2016-02-28 A3版） Now, this is a RS from Guangzhou Daily with significant coverage. The title reads "Students of True Light Had Diarrhea and Vomited After Meal". My goodness. link to the article via web archive

So, we have two reliable sources, both in Mandarin Chinese. However, neither of them address the history of the school (in my humble opinion, a rich history if properly referenced!). My suggestion is a weak delete in the spirit of TNT, but it makes me sad to make this decision. --TheLonelyPather (talk) 03:50, 7 September 2023 (UTC)


 * After assessing the sources from User:Cunard, I am !voting keep. --TheLonelyPather (talk) 16:11, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.  The article notes: "环境设计的实质是反映人们的生活方式和审美追求,也是社会文化的创造. 优美和谐的校园环境是一所学校良好的校园文化和精神文明的一个重要标志. 校园环境设计必须从学校的文化背景入手,对学校进行全方位考察,并且让师生共同参与,让文化弥散到每一个角落且突出个性,以强化校园环境的整体风格. " From Google Translate: "The essence of environmental design is to reflect people's lifestyle and aesthetic pursuit, and it is also the creation of social culture. A beautiful and harmonious campus environment is an important symbol of a school's good campus culture and spiritual civilization. The design of campus environment must start from the cultural background of the school, conduct a comprehensive inspection of the school, and involve teachers and students together, so that culture can permeate every corner and highlight individuality, so as to strengthen the overall style of the campus environment."   The abstract notes: "广州市真光中学近年来在毕业生培养上取得了一定成绩：连续13年荣获广州市高中毕业班工作一等奖；5次进入广州市高中毕业班工作一等奖10强行列：2005年位居全市第10名，2008年第9名，2009年第8名，2010年第6名，2011年第3名. 卢岳飞老师是主抓真光中学高三毕业班和全校德育工作的主任，本刊特约卢主任来给我们谈谈他们在教学方面的一些探索. " From Google Translate: "Guangzhou True Light Middle School has achieved certain results in graduate training in recent years: it has won the first prize for Guangzhou high school graduation class work for 13 consecutive years; it has entered the top 10 for the first prize for Guangzhou high school graduation class work 5 times: in 2005 Ranked 10th in the city, 9th in 2008, 8th in 2009, 6th in 2010, and 3rd in 2011. Teacher Lu Yuefei is the director in charge of the graduating class of True Light Middle School and the moral education work of the whole school. This magazine specially invited Director Lu to talk to us about some of their explorations in teaching."   The abstract notes: "广州市真光中学由美国传教士那夏理（1844～1924）在1872年（清同治十一年）6月创办．原址初设在广州沙基金利埠（现六二三路容安街）．初名真光书院. 现址在荔湾区白鹤洞培真路17号．" From Google Translate: "Guangzhou True Light Middle School was founded by the American missionary Na Xia Li (1844-1924) in June 1872 (the eleventh year of Tongzhi in the Qing Dynasty). The original location was originally located in Guangzhou Shaji Libu (now Rong'an Street, 623rd Road). It was originally named Zhenguang Academy. The current address is No. 17, Peizhen Road, Baihedong, Liwan District."   The abstract notes: "古木参天,绿草如茵;鸟语花香,书声朗朗. 清雅的校园如同一幅颇具岭南园林风格的画卷,绘出一片求学的乐土. 无论何时来到广州市真光中学,这种感受总是如影随形. 这座坐落在广州珠江河畔、白鹤洞山顶的著名学府,前身是始创于1872年的真光书院,迄今已有134年的历史,是岭南办学最早的学校之一. " From Google Translate: "The ancient trees are towering, the grass is green; the birds are singing and the flowers are fragrant, and the books are reading loudly. The elegant campus is like a picture scroll with a Lingnan garden style, painting a paradise for studying. Whenever I come to Guangzhou True Light Middle School, this feeling always follows me. This famous school located on the bank of the Pearl River in Guangzhou and on the top of Baihedong Mountain was formerly known as Zhenguang Academy, which was founded in 1872. It has a history of 134 years and is one of the earliest schools in Lingnan."   The article notes: "学校简介：是岭南办学最早的学校之一，现为广东省首批国家级示范性普通高中、首批广东省教学水平优秀学校、首批广东省德育示范校. ... 招生计划：2022年学校两个校区招生，分三个批次，其中，校本部招生共计815人，包括特长生57人，" From Google Translate: "School introduction: It is one of the earliest schools in Lingnan. It is now one of the first batch of national-level demonstration ordinary high schools in Guangdong Province, the first batch of Guangdong Province excellent teaching schools, and the first batch of Guangdong Province moral education demonstration schools. ... Enrollment plan: In 2022, the school will enroll students in two campuses, divided into three batches. Among them, the school’s main campus will enroll a total of 815 students, including 57 students with special talents." </li> <li> The article notes: "据了解，广州市真光学校创建于1872年，前身是美国人那夏理女士创办的“真光书院”. 2017年8月，原广州市长堤真光中学和广州市真光小学合并，正式成立广州市真光学校，开始九年一贯制的教育探索，标志着学校发展进入了一个崭新的历史阶段. " From Google Translate: "It is understood that Guangzhou True Light School was founded in 1872. Its predecessor was the "True Light Academy" founded by the American Ms. Na Xia Li. In August 2017, the former Guangzhou Changdi Zhenguang Middle School and Guangzhou Zhenguang Primary School merged to form Guangzhou Zhenguang School, which began the exploration of a nine-year consistent education, marking that the school's development has entered a new historical stage." </li> </ol>There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Guangzhou True Light Middle School to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 04:54, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh, great! #1, #2, #3, #6 looks awesome. #4 looks like an interview with the head of school–might be a primary source, but that's just a small issue. I wouldn't take #5 as sigcov because it mentions a bunch of other schools, as seen from its very first sentence:
 * 今年荔湾区广州市示范性高中，广州市第一中学(本部)、广州市第四中学、广州市真光中学（校本部、汾水校区）、广州市南海中学、广州市西关外国语学校招收高一新生，招生计划合计3428人.
 * I think the "keep" conclusion is sound. Good job, @Cunard, for going the extra mile. -- TheLonelyPather (talk) 16:08, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

</li></ul> Relisting comment: Time to assess sources found. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 15:55, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep per sources provided by Cunard. S5A-0043 Talk 07:00, 14 September 2023 (UTC)


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