Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Guardian (Ultima)


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The result was   delete.  MBisanz  talk 22:00, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Guardian (Ultima)

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This character does not establish notability independent of its series. Without coverage in reliable third party sources, it is just made up of unnecessary plot summary and original research. TTN (talk) 15:01, 14 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game related deletions.  MuZemike  ( talk ) 15:32, 14 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Provisional/Weak Keep - Article needs citations, but being the final villain in multiple games of a series seems to indicate some notability. umrguy  42  16:47, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - The article of course needs citations, but Ultima is a notable enough series, and he's a central enough figure that I think he establishes potential. I'm not too familiar with the PC gaming comminity but it seems likely that he would've been mentioned in gaming magazines, sites, etc. that could help establish this. S. Luke (talk) 19:57, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * keep Sources likely exist given nature of character and importance of game. I've looked up enough of these for TTN's AfDs today.  Someone else's turn. Hobit (talk) 00:57, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. Sources likely exist, eh? WP:PROVEIT, please. Stifle (talk) 16:00, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Sure, new day, backlog of TTN AfDs to hit.  discusses the guardian in some detail, while  discusses the impact of the Guardian (and more importantly, assumes the reader just knows about it.   briefly discusses the creation of the character, while  is a passing reference.  Good enough for an article?  That's a matter of opinion.  But RS clearly exist.  Combined with primary sources, there is no problem having a solid article.  Hobit (talk) 18:55, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I can't see one. Two is just a passing mention, so it cannot be used in the context of this article. What did you search on three in order to find a mention of its creation? As with two, four is just a passing mention. Just because the sources themselves are reliable and the sources mention the topic in some capacity, does not make the sources applicable for this article. TTN (talk) 19:26, 15 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete per, above all, WP is not a publisher of original thought and WP is not an indiscriminate collection of information. There is an obvious lack of reliable sources establishing anything; if there are, then, as indicated above, please add them. MuZemike  ( talk ) 16:44, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete - being "mentioned in gaming magazines" isn't enough to meet the notability threshold - coverage about this character needs to be significant. Less substantial mentions will be fine for WP:V though, and should be used to enrichen a short "characters" section in Ultima (series). Edit: changed to "weak" delete, if the Chris Chan review linked to by Hobit above does indeed discuss the character in detail (can you indicate how much coverage? A paragraph? A chapter?) Further substantial coverage might knock me to the side of keep. Marasmusine (talk) 16:33, 17 October 2008 (UTC)


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